2010 Camaro in for some work

[Rodeheavers]

This is a return customers 2010 Camaro rs/ss, we are doing JBA stainless headers, slp header back 3" exhaust. I wil post up a video when i record them of the dyno runs and the exhasut sound..Attachments

[2001GTTT]

honestly....this car looked pretty good, color is really catchy

[Rodeheavers]

Here is an update. When we started we were only going to do headers, full 3" exhaust, the plans have changed slightly, Now we are doing a Texas Speed camshaft, porting the factory heads, maybe a fast intake and throttle body..

[talontsi92]

Did you do a baseline dyno run?

[Rodeheavers]

Did you do a baseline dyno run?
yep it made 345hp and i cant remember the tq off hand.. Donny chime in a help my memory.

[95riosnake]

Should be pretty awesome when finished!

Someone definitely isn't worried about a warranty!

[Rodeheavers]

Should be pretty awesome when finished!

Someone definitely isn't worried about a warranty!

Yep, it ran out at 1800 miles on this one!! LOL

[Mach1Mush]

Makes me jelous......If i had the money i would do the exact same thing. Rip into a brand new, perfectly fine car just to make it faster. I love it.......even if it is a Camaro lol

[scott5]

nice.. i cant wait to see the numbers of this... What Texas cam you going with? you getting a tune from them too or you doing the tune tim?

[scott5]

And you sending them out to get ported?

[Rodeheavers]

And you sending them out to get ported?

TS-ls3-231/236, and my dad is porting the heads..

[scott5]

TS-ls3-231/236, and my dad is porting the heads..

That should be a nice cam right there... Are you going to do some before and after pic on the head porting? Im very curious on how much can be taken off those heads.. Do you flow bench or going to have them flow benched tim?

[SS-Swaney]

366 rwtq Tim sorry for the delay..... It's a chevy thing LOL:mullet:

[Rodeheavers]

That should be a nice cam right there... Are you going to do some before and after pic on the head porting? Im very curious on how much can be taken off those heads.. Do you flow bench or going to have them flow benched tim?

no flow bench, just 30 years experience in porting.. My Dad does all the major porting for all of our friends and family..

[talontsi92]

Those are really respectable numbers for stock. Should come out pretty good when you are done with it.

[cwh19]

no flow bench, just 30 years experience in porting.. My Dad does all the major porting for all of our friends and family..

I'm guessing he is doing mine?

This camaro thing is kinda starting to grow on me. :der:

[Rodeheavers]

I'm guessing he is doing mine?

This camaro thing is kinda starting to grow on me. :der:

Yes he is prolly gonna do them.. He is just sick with it! WE had a stock 5.0 with e7te heads he ported go 11.50s..

[1Badbird]

Wow that car made good power from the start! It's going to be nuts when you get it done!!

I think it's great Tim that your Dad still gets involved with some of your builds! I'm sure it helps to keep him young.

[scott5]

i am thinkin low to mid 400s on the numbers

[Rodeheavers]

i am thinkin low to mid 400s on the numbers

I am hoping to see at least 400 at the wheels...

[scott5]

you will DEF see 400 at the wheels.. If you dont something is not adding up.. Andy did 400rwhp and it had a cam similar, LS6 heads and just a professional products intake.. Has the owner thought of upgrading the intake?

[SS-Swaney]

you will DEF see 400 at the wheels.. If you dont something is not adding up.. Andy did 400rwhp and it had a cam similar, LS6 heads and just a professional products intake.. Has the owner thought of upgrading the intake?

Just bought the FAST for it!

[scott5]

then he will be at 450 plus... Who is doing the tuning on it? You doing a texas speed mail order?

[2010 SS]

Me, the owner. I'll be using hp tuners softwear.

[SS-Swaney]

Bump

[2010 SS]

What's bump mean Donny?

[scott5]

What's bump mean Donny?

he is putting the topic up to the top so more people will see it

[2010 SS]

Thanx buddy, that's what I figured. Just checked on my heads, Tims dad started on them today. The car is comming along nicely.

[scott5]

I cant wait to see some numbers out of this thing...

Any track time predicted?

[2010 SS]

Well, I've seen high twelves with stock cars. But I have no clue, hate to speculate. Mayb mid to low 11s. If it will hook.

[scott5]

i meant you going to take it to the track?

[2010 SS]

Oh yeah,, defintly going to the track with it. Can't wait to run it.

[scott5]

nice.. Glad to see.. Thats just as good as teh 1000hp 2010 Camaro in the last GMhighperformance magazine that only had 8miles on it.

[2010 SS]

Yeah, it would be a waste if I didn't run it. I wanted to go to the track stock, before all this work. But never made it.

[talontsi92]

Yeah, it would be a waste if I didn't run it. I wanted to go to the track stock, before all this work. But never made it.

I wanted to get a decent pass before I bought more stuff for my car too, but that never happened LOL...

Oh well, it will seem like the parts did SOOO much more than they actually do anyways :bolt:

[2010 SS]

I wanted to get a decent pass before I bought more stuff for my car too, but that never happened LOL...

Oh well, it will seem like the parts did SOOO much more than they actually do anyways :bolt:


Good point.

[psu goat]

Pffft, who would ever sell a perfectly fine TBSS to one of his best friends to buy a new Camaro, only to then tear the engine apart when it doesn't even have 3,000 miles on it?

Oh, hi neighbor! Just messin with you :rofl:

I friggin love your car and now it's just gonna be a beast!

[cwh19]

Yeah, it would be a waste if I didn't run it. I wanted to go to the track stock, before all this work. But never made it.

I also wanted to do this but just never had the chance.

[scott5]

Tim got any pics of the teardown?

[2010 SS]

Tim got any pics of the teardown?

Just the one on the first page, as far as I know. We could take more if anyone wants to see. Its still apart.

[2010 SS]

Well Tim, not going with slp's rocker arms either. What they offer is basically just the stock rocker with a larger ratio. I'm looking elsewhere, you have any other suggestions?

[scott5]

what exactly you looking for, big ratio?

[psu goat]

Drew, lots of guys in the goat community use Yella Terra rockers for engine builds. I don't know much about them though.

[2010 SS]

what exactly you looking for, big ratio?

With the size of the cam i need the stock ratio. Just looking for a stronger rocker.

[scott5]

Have you looked into Harland Sharp?

[2010 SS]

Drew, lots of guys in the goat community use Yella Terra rockers for engine builds. I don't know much about them though.

I was looking at those, not too cheap. But if that is what it takes.

[2010 SS]

Have you looked into Harland Sharp?

No, but i will right now.

[scott5]

No, but i will right now.

I jsut did also, but dont see them for the LS3, but when me and my buddy talked to them out at NMRA columbus they said that they were in the works, you might have to call them.

[2010 SS]

Have you looked into Harland Sharp?

Im only seeing applications for LS1s and LS6. We already found they wont work for me. We were gonna go with scorpions.

[2010 SS]

I jsut did also, but dont see them for the LS3, but when me and my buddy talked to them out at NMRA columbus they said that they were in the works, you might have to call them.

Thanks buddy lol. i will try to call.

[Rodeheavers]

yep, the ls3 takes an offset rocker , i havent had enough time to look around.

[scott5]

Thanks buddy lol. i will try to call.

idk remember what they said they were going to run, but i remember looking at my buddy saying damm.. Scorpions are nice rrs

[scott5]

yep, the ls3 takes an offset rocker , i havent had enough time to look around.

The harland sharp ones do offer the offset rocker
http://www.harlandsharp.com/ratio.htm

[2010 SS]

The harland sharp ones do offer the offset rocker
http://www.harlandsharp.com/ratio.htm

The LS3 isnt exzactly new, dont understand why there isnt more choices for it. Ive been looking, and everything is LS1,LS2,and LS6.

[scott5]

The LS3 isnt exzactly new, dont understand why there isnt more choices for it. Ive been looking, and everything is LS1,LS2,and LS6.

In the area market of aftermarket parts it sorta has been due to the first platform where it would needed modding was when they put it in the 08 C6s.. When it was first being used it was in trucks and suv's so the market would not of been stable enough to start with parts, until the vette came out with it...

I am thinking that as long as you have rockers that will fit in a l92(i am pretty sure thats what your car came stock with) then you should be fine cause an l92 head is an l92 head.. I will talk to my buddy and see what he was going to be running with his l92 6.0 vortech YSI powered camaro.

[2010 SS]

In the area market of aftermarket parts it sorta has been due to the first platform where it would needed modding was when they put it in the 08 C6s.. When it was first being used it was in trucks and suv's so the market would not of been stable enough to start with parts, until the vette came out with it...

I am thinking that as long as you have rockers that will fit in a l92(i am pretty sure thats what your car came stock with) then you should be fine cause an l92 head is an l92 head.. I will talk to my buddy and see what he was going to be running with his l92 6.0 vortech YSI powered camaro.

Thanks for the help! I was kinda thinkn there was a difference in the LS3 and L92, being that I always see them mentioned seperatly when shopping for compatable parts. But that was just my guess.

[scott5]

I talked to my buddy today and he is using a Comp Cam rr, have you tried looking into them?

[2010 SS]

I talked to my buddy today and he is using a Comp Cam rr, have you tried looking into them?

I've looked. But I'll take a more serious look now.

[scott5]

I've looked. But I'll take a more serious look now.

i have been on ls1tech alot lately and hit up the 2010 section and really didnt see any indepth talk about rr choices.. Seems maybe they are still using stockers?

[2010 SS]

i have been on ls1tech alot lately and hit up the 2010 section and really didnt see any indepth talk about rr choices.. Seems maybe they are still using stockers?

Yeah, either stock rockers or the larger ratio that SLP offers that are basically stock. I thought about using the stock ones but I don't think its a good idea with a bigger cam and dual springs.

[scott5]

Have you called Texas Speed? See what they suggest using since it is there cam that you are using.. They have probably seen alot of combos out there.. Or you could call LMR they seem to be the leaders so far in the 2010 camaro game.. See what they suggest?

[scott5]

YouTube- 440 LSX in a 2010 Camaro SS

or just go all out:popcorn:

[2010 SS]

Have you called Texas Speed? See what they suggest using since it is there cam that you are using.. They have probably seen alot of combos out there.. Or you could call LMR they seem to be the leaders so far in the 2010 camaro game.. See what they suggest?

I will try LMR since you mention it. As far as Texas Speed, they just say change the springs when you buy this particular cam. Now I bought a cam package that also included the springs and pushrods. I just want to be safe, when this thing goes together I don't want problems. Plus I'm startn to think about sprayn it.

[scott5]

I will try LMR since you mention it. As far as Texas Speed, they just say change the springs when you buy this particular cam. Now I bought a cam package that also included the springs and pushrods. I just want to be safe, when this thing goes together I don't want problems. Plus I'm startn to think about sprayn it.

do it 150 shot:rockon:

Yea i called them a few months ago and they seemed very cool about answering any questions...


Any new part pics yet:fencing:

[2010 SS]

Tim took a pics of the heads, dont think he posted them yet. His dad did a very nice job on them. I got my intake a couple days ago, but didnt take any one of it. I will take some next time Im out Tims, probably going to run out tomorrow. And yep, 100 or 150 shot.

[Rodeheavers]

wow, roller rockers arent that easy to find for these cars, i have found: yella terra for 550$ and harland sharp with no details... I called texas speed today and they told me the stock rockers are the best thing to use, thats new to me but hey they are the top pros on em i guess...

[scott5]

wow, roller rockers arent that easy to find for these cars, i have found: yella terra for 550$ and harland sharp with no details... I called texas speed today and they told me the stock rockers are the best thing to use, thats new to me but hey they are the top pros on em i guess...

Most of the stock parts on the lsx performace cars are some of the best parts for the car.. Have you tried Crane or Comp?

[Rodeheavers]

here are a few of the head pics..

[somethingclever]

Heads look nice Timmy.

[2010 SS]

Ok, we got the rocker arms figured out, goin with the stock ones for now. Now Im looking at coldair intakes. Anybody have any input as to which ones you feel are the best? Im looking at an aluminum one right now made by Fastlane.

[scott5]

I vote for the LMR kit

[2010 SS]

I vote for the LMR kit

I've been looking at those ones. LMR or the Fastlane pipeline intake? I'm undecided

[SS-Swaney]

I like the fastlane the best

[psu goat]

Drew, I just read over on camaro5 a couple minutes ago that people starting getting their Vararam intakes in the mail today. Personally, I would hold out for that one.

Vararam is very popular in the Vette and GTO community and, at least for the goat, they perform the best out of every cold air intake available. Their claims of 3 to 5 tenths in the 1/4 for a GTO have actually been true on most cars.

http://www.vararam.com/camaro-ramair-unit.html

Edit: Looks like there's some radiator movement with the vararam in place, but I'm sure that could be remedied somehow.

[2010 SS]

Drew, I just read over on camaro5 a couple minutes ago that people starting getting their Vararam intakes in the mail today. Personally, I would hold out for that one.

Vararam is very popular in the Vette and GTO community and, at least for the goat, they perform the best out of every cold air intake available. Their claims of 3 to 5 tenths in the 1/4 for a GTO have actually been true on most cars.

http://www.vararam.com/camaro-ramair-unit.html

Edit: Looks like there's some radiator movement with the vararam in place, but I'm sure that could be remedied somehow.

They seem to be good. Anybody else have an opinion on the vararam intakes?

[SS-Swaney]

My unit started to buck and surge too. The warmer it got, the bigger the gap the top of the unit got. I taped the $$$$ out of mine too. It seems to have sealed all the leaks and I don't have any more surging. I probably have 20' of tape on it... The unit is the $$$$ at WOT. The difference is between stock and Vararam is HUGE!!!

Nope, not yet. I'm waiting to see how the fixed unit runs, thus far i'm highly disappointed in the production unit I received. Even though mine is spec'd up, the tech guy (I assume Patrick?) told me it shouldn't buck with a tune once they fix the gap issue.

That don't look that good to me from what i'm reading alot of problems!!!
I found that on camaro5. And those aren't the only complaints!

[psu goat]

Oh that sucks. The Corvette and GTO Vararams are very high quality and everyone seems to love them. An over the radiator design with a straight shot to the intake manifold seems to be the best design to me, and many tuners agree.

But anything that will let more air into the engine will help, so go with whichever one you like best :)

[daytonabuilder]

gotta love the work being done here. i thought i was the only one that would take a brand new car appart for work lol. going to be nice cant want to see it running again

[Rodeheavers]

update pic, I have the cam/timing set/front cover/lifters back in, i just set the heads on for the pic, i am getting ready to bolt them down.

[2010 SS]

Your the man Tim! I'm waitn on an air intake, so if you get that far don't put that stock one in. I figure Donny told you though.

[2010 SS]

OMG after all this time my air intake is finally shipped. :clap2: Hey Tim, you think we can get some time to slap it in before I trailer that thing next Saturday?

[Rodeheavers]

sure, no problem man.

[2010 SS]

Ok the cai is in my hands and I'm off today. When is a good time to come out Tim?

[somethingclever]

So no "after" dyno numbers yet then? (or did I miss them)

[2010 SS]

So no "after" dyno numbers yet then? (or did I miss them)

I'll have numbers next week. The car is being tuned by Ed Hutchings of Virginia Speed all next week.

[2010 SS]

Ok, anyone who's been wondering about this car, I have some numbers. I don't like them, and the guy I have tuning it thinks it is over cammed, and I'm with him on that now. On the dynojet it produced 456hp & 425 lb/ft on the ground. He and I were both expecting more. I don't know Tim, we may be cam swapn again.

[Rodeheavers]

Its up to you... Do you plan on drag racing it? 456rwhp is alot of power from a NA motor!

[2010 SS]

Well its more show than go for me. But we were thinkn it was gonna be well over 500 on a dynojet. But it sounds nasty as hell lol.

[Rodeheavers]

Well its more show than go for me. But we were thinkn it was gonna be well over 500 on a dynojet. But it sounds nasty as hell lol.

This is my .02$
If it were mine and wanting more show than go i think i would be content with it... It already has enough power to totally need drag radials for any kind of traction on the street. So if we do a cam swap to gain more "unusable" power it only going to cost you a bunch more money.

[2010 SS]

I agree Tim. And besides, he thinks there is about 20 more horses in taking the second half of the cai off and doing a maf-less tune. I think it has enough. It was just initially disapointing to see my cam is too big.

[police4.6]

yeah bigger isnt always better but that thing has to sound like a rat rod if it has too big of a cam... and how much power are you thinking a new cam would make? just out of curiosity?

[2010 SS]

yeah bigger isnt always better but that thing has to sound like a rat rod if it has too big of a cam... and how much power are you thinking a new cam would make? just out of curiosity?

Well cam only ls3 Camaros are making 490 whp on dynojets. The thing that upsets me is I have the supposed big power making cam from Texas Speed. Now I did notice they just changed the specs on it slightly, they kept the same 231/236 duration but went from .644/613 to .641/615 on the lift. I'll never buy anything from Texas Speed again though. So to answer you I don't know maybe approx 525 dynojet. Right now its like I don't even have a cam, really.

[SK360]

Car sounds nasty real nasty!... I was a little surprised that you were not in the high 400's at least.

Drew I think when Ed told you it was overcammed is when we were told by Mac that it was a MS4 which is a 239/242... I will pass that on to him

[2010 SS]

To update the cam problem, the cam I ordered isn't too big. Now we're thinking I may have been sent the wrong cam. Because a car with a similar setup and the cam I'm supposed to have has a totally different attitude, and it actually ran on the stock tune, mine really didn't. We'll check for sure Wednesday.

[2010 SS]

Forgot to post this. It runs good, but its not what it could be, no more Texas Speed for me. Either way, thanks Tim! Still did a great job on it for me. YouTube- Drew 2010 Camaro SS Dyno Run

[scott5]

yea.. i dont like texas speed and will never use them.. i just keep my opinion of them to myself cause so many people bounce up and down on their nuts so much.

[2010 SS]

yea.. i dont like texas speed and will never use them.. i just keep my opinion of them to myself cause so many people bounce up and down on their nuts so much.

Live and learn i guess. I just figured, so many people use their stuff they gotta be good. Wrong!

[scott5]

so whats your plan for the cam now? keep it or putting a different one in?

If your getting a new one.. Look into mast motorsports.

[2010 SS]

so whats your plan for the cam now? keep it or putting a different one in?

If your getting a new one.. Look into mast motorsports.

Not sure, got a few ideas. I may put a supercharger on top of what I have now. Or a little shot of spray. See my afr's are perfect, and Im a little lean at idle. But im spraying fuel through the exhaust pretty good. Couple ways to fix that, I just have to pick one.

[scott5]

blower.. haha

[2010 SS]

Been shopn for one. The heads and cam are choking it. That would be the easiest way to raise compression, instead of another tear down.

[Tom]

Try talking to englandgreen or east coast supercharging. They were my top choices for parts/advice when I had a vette.

[Defiant]

I have a 92 Camaro z28. Absolutely love the thing. Needs a unibody (figures right). But i think chevy did a great job with these cars. Granted i think making the back a little thinner would have been nice. But a definite beauty.

Thing should be pretty beast when it's finished.

[somethingclever]

457 to the ground, right?

With stock cylinder heads?

How much are other people getting out of a cam only (LS3?).

[2010 SS]

457 to the ground, right?

With stock cylinder heads?

How much are other people getting out of a cam only (LS3?).

457 rwhp

ported ls3 heads, fast lsxR 102 mm intake

cam only power is typically 470 to 490 rwhp

[Tom]

457 rwhp

ported ls3 heads, fast lsxR 102 mm intake

cam only power is typically 470 to 490 rwhp

I'm guessing they put down ~370 stock on a dyno jet and ~340 on a mustang dyno, so they are gaining over 100whp just from a cam! holy crap.

Did you try your car on a different dyno too? They all read different - esp. dynojets. I would try it on Tims dyno to see how much you gained over stock.

[2010 SS]

Yeah, 100 hp with a cam, headers/exhaust, and a tune.

Been thinking about goin on Tims dyno, just don't want to p$ss myself off more.

[scott5]

Mast motorsports stage 2 cam only with a set of longtubes made 545.5 hp ans 481.8lb ft of torque.. and t

[Rodeheavers]

Mast motorsports stage 2 cam only with a set of longtubes made 545.5 hp ans 481.8lb ft of torque.. and t

so a cam and headers is worth 175 rwhp? Dude, i gotta call total BS on that, the only way i would ever believe that is if i saw the car improve about 2 seconds in ET...

[2010 SS]

That does sound like bs, to the wheels anyway. Fly wheel hp sure.

[scott5]

Sorry guys.. i was on my droid and at work when i wrote that.. That is on an engine dyno not a chassis dyno.. my boss was walking over and i couldnt finish the rest of the message

[scott5]

the write up in last months GM highperformance tech magazine.. They compared the L99 and the LS3 and its weird how they act so differently..

[somethingclever]

cam only power is typically 470 to 490 rwhp



If I wasn't so stubborn I would go to the darkside with numbers like that....550 fwhp from just a cam is ridiculous for stock cylinder heads and intake....I'm thoroughly impressed

[Jon - Texas-Speed]

I guess I missed the phone call where there was concerned with the power one of our cams was making.

I hate to be the one to point this out but all of our cams are dyno tested on our IN HOUSE ENGINE DYNO. We do this to ensue we know EXACTLY what each of our cams produce by themselves. This eliminates all driveline variables that most shops will see from testing on chassis dynos.

The cam in question, 231/236 cam, will pick up 75-80 FWHP on a LS3 motor. The cam doesn't care what car it is in. With the same basic mods (free flowing exhaust/headers and good induction) the cam will consistently pick up this power. I would assume these motors are not like a whored out LS1 motor that might have 100,000 miles on it with compression/leakdown issues etc. Here's a graph of a LS3 motor with this cam on the engine dyno:

http://www.precisionracecomponents.com/231236dyno.jpg

Knowing this, I would be more prone to ask what heads are on the car? Who ported them? What did they flow? The FAST intake is pretty much going to pick up the same power on each car. Bolt on mods are going to pick up the same power in each car. If we know the cam will be pretty consistent then my attention to what is out of the norm with the combo. I can tell you that we have sold this camshaft along with PRC ported LS3 heads w/ bolt ons that have made in the 490+ RWHP range. There is a car at our shop right now that makes 500 RWHP w/ a ported LS3 intake on it with this cam and PRC LS3 heads!

Also, I didn't have a chance to read the whole thread or maybe I missed it, but who is the shop that is telling you there is a problem with the camshaft? I would be interested to hear their thoughts on why is cam doesn't work. There is a LOT of testing that goes into each cam we market. A single cam profile will have 10-20 camshafts that were tested before it ever goes up for sale as a TSP cam. People run our parts because we have a good reputation and are a leader in LS-based engine development. If our products didn't perform as advertised we would more than likely no longer be around. That being said, I can see where a shop would talk down our parts in an effort to make a sale. It happens all the time. But we always try to make sure all the information is out there if something negative is going to be posted.

If you have any questions about any of or products I would urge anyone to call and talk with us. We're always happy to help with any questions you might have.

Jon
Texas Speed & Performance

[Jon - Texas-Speed]

http://precisionracecomponents.com/2010hcheaders.jpg

[scott5]

after someone pointing out something to me the other day, im taking back my statement and eating my words and saying i dont think the cam is the problem

[2010 SS]

The person who said I'm over cammed is Ed Hutchings of Virginia Speed. He initially thought Texas Speed sent me the wrong cam too.

[2010 SS]

Furthermore, I myself don't think it is the cam alone. Fact is though I fell short of the 500 rwhp mentioned above with the same setup, only difference for mine is having went with the FAST 102 mm intake. So the way I see it is that intake is the root of the problem. People make more power with the stock intake, mine is too big..................

[Mater]

Wut??????

[zxgto06]

no way your going to make more hp with the stock intake. I would look into the heads.

[2010 SS]

Ok I learned last night that the other Camaro I've talked about put down 470 rwhp dynojet. The only difference from his to mine is he ported his stock intake, and I have the fast, but we both have the same cam. Both of ours came up short of what they should have with the mods done.

[scott5]

how do your heads compare?

[2010 SS]

how do your heads compare?

Can't give the flow numbers, but we had the same type of work done to the stock heads. Only he sent his out to a well known shop for that I guess, couldn't tell you who, I forget. Tims dad did mine, with his experience and the fact any Rodeheavers car is a rocket, I trust him. So this isn't really directed at you Scott, but some say Tims dad ruined my heads, that's just not the case. But answering the question again, our heads are really the same. So I'm going to scrap the cam.

[Tom]

The graph above is showing 560 flywheel horsepower, with 15% drivetrain loss that is right around 470whp. I wonder if they dynoed it with full exhaust and accessories? That could account for a good bit more power too.

[SS-Swaney]

They seem to have posted some stretched #'s ..... I guess if you feel good about lying you just bullsh!t your way through it then when people have problems hope they will go away. I've called Texas Speed b4 and got the biggest run around!! Would never do business with them! But i guess they will always have their little cronies that will swear they're the best..... It's just comical that all of a sudden they found this site "somehow", talked their JUNK up and when one name gets mentioned they disappear... LOL

[no1sirbutler]

^^I agree w/ this guy. Why would a company that big bother w/ signing up on a site this small to dispute one claim. Also if I read that right, they claim to dyno every cam they make? Really dont see that happening either.

[2010 SS]

after someone pointing out something to me the other day, im taking back my statement and eating my words and saying i dont think the cam is the problem

Im really curious what was pointed out to you, if you dont mind saying. Ive really been waiting on that other car to strap down before I made a final decision. Being that he and I are both even, and low on numbers, I say that cam doesnt work.

[Jon - Texas-Speed]

2010 SS: I don't think you understand my point about the cam. The camshafts will work the same in any motor. The difference is in the supporting mods. If the heads don't flow then the motor won't make power. Even if the SAME work is done, if the quality of the work isn't there, then it won't make power. Without flowing and measuring the heads, you won't really know. I wouldn't blame the FAST intake as the problem. We have dyno tested them to some big name ported LS3 intakes and they are within a couple horse of each other.

SS-Swaney: I haven't disappeared. Just off enjoying my weekend. I'm not worried about anyone in this thread or whoever has been mentioned. I'm not exactly sure who you are talking about anyway. What numbers did we stretch? What did I lie about? Pretty hard to lie about engine dyno numbers but I'd be happy to listen as you point them out for me. I apologize for your bad experience with us but I would be interested to hear about it and how you got the run around. We are in no way perfect but we typically make right any actually problems we come across.

no1sirbutler: I came on here because a I got a PM asking me to come on here and shed a little light on this problem. No problem is bigger than the next. If we have some info. that might help direct someone to fix their problem then the result is someone here posting. We don't care if it is a major board that we sponsor or a smaller local board like this one. The last thing I want is someone who doesn't knowing any better coming here reading this thread and thinking there is actually a problem with our cams where there isn't a problem at all with our product in this car.

You'd be happy to know that we actually do test EVERY SINGLE CAM we sell as well as numerous cams to develop the the cam that we actually advertise. We work closely with the engineers at Comp Cams and make countless pulls on our IN HOUSE engine dyno to ensure each cam performs exactly how it is advertised. The LS3 motor we have on the dyno currently has 300+ pulls in developing the first 3 cams we currently market! There is a reason we are the largest LS Comp Cams distributor in the country!

http://www.precisionracecomponents.com/dyno4.jpg

If you guys have any questions please post up and I'll do my best to answer them for you.

Jon
Texas Speed & Performance

[2010 SS]

I know a few things about the internal combustion engine, and yes if heads won't flow you won't get power, and cams do in fact do the same thing in every engine. The fact that cams do the same thing is my point now. There are two ls3 Camaros that I know of right now that are running the 231/236 cam shaft, along with ported heads and intakes. Neither one is close to the claimed 560 fwhp your supposed to get around on this cam alone. Don't tell me we both junked our heads, or the builders didn't know what they're doing. I unded up 460whp, he ended up 470whp. Where should they be? No reason for at least 490....... Now this isn't the first car I've ever drivin either, and I can tell from just driving around its over cammed. That's what Ed Hutchings has to say as do I. I'll be posting what kind of numbers I make with a new cam, then we'll see who's right or wrong, whether its me or whoever.

[SS-Swaney]

May the truth be told lets see the #'s

[Jon - Texas-Speed]

I'm not a self proclaimed genius but people have been running high 23x, low 24x duration cams in stock cubic inch 346 LS1 motors for 3-4 years now but the mid 23x duration in a motor with 376c.i. motors are over cammed. Maybe the cam isn't the right cam for your OPINION on driveability but to say that the cam is too big for the motor is false. The fact is the cam makes power as advertised. I don't understand how you just posted that the cam works the same in every engine, yet there are cams all over Camaro5 that we have never touched that make the same power as cars here. Granted those cars have our heads AND cam and not a home ported set. That would lead me to look at what is different between the cars. Maybe the heads... Who knows, maybe you'll be the first person ever to pull out camshaft, drop duration, and pick up 20 RWHP. I'll even make you an offer. Bring that cam down here and we'll dyno it back to back with a 231/236 on our engine dyno and if it picks up 20 HP, I will pay your plane tickets here and back!

If going to a smaller cam gets the driveability to where you want it, then absolutely pull that cam out and drop the duration and be happy with your car. At the end of the day you are the one that has to drive it. However, I would be shocked if you pull that cam out, drop the duration and pick up power. Do you have the specs of the cam you are putting in it? I would be interested to see. Chances are we have dyno'd something pretty similar to it.

Jon

[Mach1Mush]

Im a big fan of the new camaro and this isnt ment to piss anyone off but it definately will. Shoulda bought a FORD lol....... this is just a jab at the chevy guys. Arent ford guys suppose to say stuff like this???

[2010 SS]

Im a big fan of the new camaro and this isnt ment to piss anyone off but it definately will. Shoulda bought a FORD lol....... this is just a jab at the chevy guys. Arent ford guys suppose to say stuff like this???

Lol Thanks I needed that.

[noslov8]

Am i the only one who dosent think those numbers are bad? You gained 115 horsepower and who knows how much at the track. The 427 z06 with headers only dynos in the high 400s. Sometimes dyno numbers are overated.

[2010 SS]

Am i the only one who dosent think those numbers are bad? You gained 115 horsepower and who knows how much at the track. The 427 z06 with headers only dynos in the high 400s. Sometimes dyno numbers are overated.

Not really true about the gain, the base number on here was made on a mustang dyno, which dyno roughly 30 hp less then dynojets, depending on the cars drag coefficient. So with 460 dynojet, that's around 430 mustang dyno leaving me with a gain of about 86 rwhp. None the less, they are good numbers, it has.a lot of power. Just not what it could with its mods

[noslov8]

Are the other numbers from dans car?

[2010 SS]

Are the other numbers from dans car?

Yeah, the 470 is what I hear his made.

[SK360]

Just to throw this out there...
This is my Automatic 2005 GTO vs the Camaro SS in question...

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii196/SK360_PGH/Dyno%20Graphs/Compare/MattVsDrew.jpg

Same dyno, same tuner. My pulls were done 2 days later.

My Mods:
Stock L92 heads Milled 0.030
Stock LS3 Intake
Custom grind LSR Lobe cam
Pacesetter 1 3/4" longtubes
Magnaflow Catback
Summit underdrive pulley
Over the radiator cold air intake
Speed Density tune
Built 4L65E
Vigilante 3200 Torque Converter

Converter was locked on my pull and let go up top as you can see on the graph.

[2010 SS]

Ok Jon, what I've actually gained as I mentioned above is about 86 horsepower. Its advertised and you've stated in this thread that your cam will pick up 75 to 80. So, who's to say that power did not come from the cam itself? Which, if I had no head work, or a bigger intake I would be just thrilled with that number. Because that's the claimed power potential from the cam with an exhaust, which I barely have an exhaust, its just 3'' pipes to the back after the collector. Now the other car I've mentioned a lot has "big named" heads, mine on the other hand were done in a small garage, nonetheless by a guy who's been doing heads on high hp engines for 30 years. Bottom line is both of our heads flow better than stock, and there should be more power in both. The last piece of evidence I will offer up that I don't think the cam I received is right, is the dyno graph itself. If my heads do not flow enough for the big power in the top end I should see a flat spot in the graph where they cease supplying enough air flow. Same thing if they were worked too much. I'm just saying, I have a hard time accepting that I have 80 hp from the cam, and then 6 divided over a FAST intake and ported heads.

Also on the issue of drivability, I don't mind that. Big cam engines have nothing from the idle to, say 2500 rpms with this one, then the power turns on. No big deal, that's how it is. And if you read back, the tuner that helped me out with this thing was kind of thinking I may have been sent the wrong cam, I would believe it if the duration came out to be in the 240s, it seems like more than 231/236, just saying from the tuners experience and mine it seems bigger. But I believe if it was bigger there would be some valve clearance issues at that point. I'm just saying at Texas Speed you handle a lot of cams, maybe its possible I have the wrong one. We called before that cam was put in, some numbers didn't match up from what I ordered, what was on the spec sheet, and what was stamped on the cam itself. We were told " don't worry about it".

[Jon - Texas-Speed]

As per the cam card on a cam I have on the shelf here:

231/236, .644/.613, 111 or 112 LSA

.003" isn't the reason the car isn't making power. (That's about the thickness of a sheet of paper.) If you want, pull the cam out and have it cam doctored if you think it is wrong. If it is, then send that dude back to us and Comp will get us a new cam. That's what it comes down to. No way that cam is 24x duration or it wouldn't clear. Even if the guy who ported the heads has 30 years of experience porting Ford heads, he doesn't have that experience with these heads. They are NOT the same by any means.

Jon

[2010 SS]

Hmmm, who mentioned Fords? I wonder.

[no1sirbutler]

As per the cam card on a cam I have on the shelf here:

231/236, .644/.613, 111 or 112 LSA

.003" isn't the reason the car isn't making power. (That's about the thickness of a sheet of paper.) If you want, pull the cam out and have it cam doctored if you think it is wrong. If it is, then send that dude back to us and Comp will get us a new cam. That's what it comes down to. No way that cam is 24x duration or it wouldn't clear. Even if the guy who ported the heads has 30 years of experience porting Ford heads, he doesn't have that experience with these heads. They are NOT the same by any means.

Jon

So you have the cam card from the actual cam in the car in question? If so that means you have a serial number or some marking to distinquish cams from each other. Is this correct? I only ask b/c im confused as to where your pulling your specs from if you dyno each and every cam. Also you dont make the cams, you have crower make them for you? If so it could easily be the wrong cam. Again just stating and asking questions.


The thing I have a real issue w/ is the fact your bashing someone you dont know just b/c you think they can only port one type of head. Ive spent many years talking to several different major companies and life long racers. They all say a head is a head. You only need to know the application of the engine as to wether its FI or Carb. This according to them is the only real difference.

Also all the MAJOR companies I deal w/ on a personal level wouldnt even bother coming on a local forum to deal w/ one single issue. This just seems really fishy to me. I dont see how you can have that kind of time if you are as big as you say you are.

[Jon - Texas-Speed]

I'm pulling the specs of one of the 11 cams we have on the shelf of this single grind. No it is not the cam card for the exact cam that is in the car. Yes it is a cam card of a cam that is the same lobe profiles.

We have all of our cams ground by Comp Cams. I've never seen a cam actually different from what the cam card shows. Being the cams are checked after they are ground and a card is generated. I'm not saying he doesn't have a unicorn but it is easy enough to check. However, that can't be done with it in the car.

I'm not bashing anyone's work? Am I questioning it, then yes I am. Why would I not? There are no specs on them in this whole thread? It seems weird that this information isn't out there but the cam that works in every other car is in question...

Dang man, I'm sorry I came on your board. I just thought I'd come on here and try and bring some sense into this deal. I personally would love it if a company I bought parts from offered tech support and input on my local boards for questions I had about setups I was running. lol maybe this is why they don't. I'll leave you guys with it.

To the OP, you have our number and you are welcome to call and talk directly to me. I'd be more than happy to help with any questions you have about your combo. I hope you get everything lined out.

Jon
Texas Speed