Aug 15th-King of Street/True Street Race @ PRP

[AdamantiumSilvr]

Pittsburgh Raceway Park is hosting a King of Street/True Street Race August 15th. I guess Lou and a couple members from SCS helpt add the True Street Race aspect of this race day. So it will be a SCS's day kinda.
Sooooo, Uhh-ohhhh time for some real racing to begin, as I believe all r welcome to race!!! I might catch some flak for this but, just givin yunz a nice heads up early.

[Rodeheavers]

I am gonna go for sure with a huge UGH sticker on my ride..

[1Badbird]

You big trouble maker! Hahaha! LOL!!!!!

[cwh19]

I'll probably be there

[TheBreeze72]

anybody?

[Rodeheavers]

anybody?

they are gonna be the same as nmra true street, they are gonna be cracking down on the plates IE: no rt, dealer, salvage plates.

[TheBreeze72]

no ladder bars rite!

[Rodeheavers]

no ladder bars rite!

i dont think they r gonna care bout that..

[scott5]

TRUE STREET

Class Description

True Street is a racing class for mildly modified to heavily modified high performance Ford-based street vehicles that are street certified and able to drive over a 30-mile distance. All Ford vehicles from 1964 through present are permitted. Any Ford based engine, and any number and/or type of power adders are permitted. Vehicles must be registered, licensed, and insured. There will be trophies and awards for not only quickest average, and runner up, but also for the following: closest averaged ET that is not quicker than the following – 9.00, 10.00, 11.00, 12.00, 13.00, 14.00, and 15.00. True Street racing will be conducted at all NMRA racing events in 2009. True Street does not have a points system. NMRA membership is not required to compete in NMRA True Street.

Qualifying Information, Ladder Type, & Tree
All Run, NMRA True Street Format, .400 Pro Tree.

CLASS RULES, TRUE STREET
VEHICLES PERMITTED
All Ford-bodied vehicles 1964 & later will be accepted.

POWER ADDERS & POWERTRAIN
Any Ford-based engine, and any number and/or type of power adders are permitted. Any manual or automatic transmission is permitted. Any rear end is permitted. Exhaust system with mufflers is required.

CHASSIS & SUSPENSION
Stock type chassis and stock type suspension is required. Coil-over shocks and springs permitted for both front and rear suspension. Shocks and spring may be re-located. Standard bolt-on replacement suspension and chassis components are permitted. Tubular bolt-in front K-members and A-arm kits are permitted. Back-half vehicles are prohibited. Ladder bars and/or aftermarket 4-links are prohibited. Wheelie bars are prohibited.

STREET EQUIPMENT
In order to compete, all vehicles and/or drivers are required the following:
1.Valid driver’s license
2.Valid vehicle registration
3.Valid license plate(s). Dealer plates prohibited.
4.Valid insurance “ID” card. Faxes and/or letters from insurance companies and/or brokers not acceptable.
5.D.O.T. Radials or D.O.T. Slicks on front and rear of vehicle.
6.Hood is required, may be made of lightweight material. Hood scoops permitted. Hood/scoop may be liftoff.
7.Any type of passenger windows permitted, but must be functional – up/down and in working condition.

During the tech-in process, vehicle must have operational street equipment, including headlights, taillights, brake lights, turn signals, and horn.

TIRES: FRONT & REAR
DOT slick tires or DOT legal radials tires required for drive tires during the road tour AND the True Street competition and class run off. Racing slicks prohibited. Maximum actual measured tire size is as follows: Actual measured tread of all racing slick-type tire is limited to 10.75-inches. For D.O.T. radial tires, maximum sidewall designation permitted is 325mm. Tire height is unrestricted. A “go/no-go” gauge will be used to measured tire width. Tire shaving is prohibited. Tire changing is prohibited during or after the road tour.

WHEELS
WHEELS: Spindle-mount front wheels prohibited.

30-MILE CRUISE
There will be a 30 mile supervised cruise on highway and city streets prior to competition, limited to those vehicles that have passed tech inspection. An escort will supervise the cruise in accordance with local laws and ordinances. Each competitor and crew will be on their own recognizance during the escort and cruise and bear the full responsibility of their actions as they would on city streets. Please be safe and follow all traffic laws during the cruise.

SUPPORT VEHICLES
Support vehicles (i.e., tow vehicles, crew, etc.) are permitted optionally on the road tour, but must trail behind the True Street participants, and the escort, at all times. All support vehicles are on their own reconnaissance and must obey all applicable local safety and traffic laws.

DISQUALIFICATION/COMPLETION
Cruise is mandatory in the time allotted for competition. Any vehicle unable to complete the road tour under its on power, within the allotted time, will be disqualified from racing. Any vehicle that falls behind the trailing escort will be disqualified.

COOLDOWN PERIOD/RETURN PROCEDURES
After the vehicles return from the road tour, they will return directly to the designated staging lanes for the cool-down period. They may not change tires. The cool-down period will typically last between 15 to 45 minutes. During this cool down period only, entrants may adjust tire pressure (add or remove tire pressure), install fresh nitrous bottles, install ice in their intercooler (only if located in trunk, rear hatch or rear seat area).. A strict CLOSED HOOD policy will be in effect until a competitor has completed his or her three back-to-back passes. No re-fueling allowed once car leaves on cruise. Engines must remain turned off during entire cool-down period. External cooling of engine by any means (cold water, outdoor fans, etc.) prohibited. Any engine changes, repairs, or adjustments (changing rocker arms, carburetor adjustments, etc.) prohibited. Changing of tires prohibited. No laptops in vehicle permitted at any time once the first of the three back-to-back passes is initiated.

RACE FORMAT
When called to “load up” in the staging lanes, all True Street competitors must report to their cars and prepare to make three back-to-back quarter mile passes. All hoods and deck lids must remain secured, as they must remain closed until completion of all three passes. Vehicles with air-to-water intercoolers may not add ice to intercooler tank between back-to-back passes, even if intercooler tank is located in interior of vehicle.

FINAL STANDINGS
After all three quarter mile passes are completed, each racer’s ET will be added and the average of these three passes will be computed. The outcome of the 3-run average will be posted Sunday morning, and the awards presentation will be held Sunday. On a qualifying run, if a contestant properly starts, stages and receives the starter’s signal but breaks to the point the run is not completed, a time of 28 seconds is issued and it is considered a valid qualifying run.

CREW MEMBERS
Crew members are not permitted around participating vehicles, in the staging lanes, or in the burnout area, between rounds of competition.

BACK-TO-BACK PASSES
Tire pressure may be checked in the staging lanes, or between rounds, and may be lowered. Air may not be added to tires any time during the back-to-back passes. Vehicles are required to make three full passes in order to be included in the final average ET tally. All vehicles must run three passes in the same order as the first pass, any attempt to gain additional cool down time between rounds will result in disqualification. The only possible exception to this rule is the use of a parachute, if required by vehicle speed. One crew member can be placed in the staging lanes to aid in the re-packing of a parachute, however, chute must be re-packed in a manner so as not to be disruptive to competition rounds. There will be a separate staging lane designated for any vehicle needing to re-pack parachutes. Any vehicle unable to start under it’s own power will be disqualified. Once all rounds have been completed, prize money and awards will be given based on the final average of all three quarter mile passes. During, and in between, the back-to-back passes, no changes may be made to vehicle other than lowering air pressure in tires. Fresh nitrous bottles, fuel, and ice may not be installed/replenished. Vehicles with air-to-water intercoolers may not add ice to intercooler tank between back-to-back passes, even if intercooler tank is located in interior of vehicle.

WEIGHT BREAKS
There is no minimum weight.

CLASS & SAFETY REQUIREMENTS
It is the participant’s responsibility to familiarize oneself with the class requirements as found in the 2009 NMRA rulebook and the safety requirements as found in the 2009 NHRA rulebook. The participant agrees that the participant bears the ultimate responsibility at all times to ensure the safety of participant’s vehicle and to ensure that participant complies with all applicable NHRA & NMRA rules.

The participant agrees that participant is in the best position to know about the construction and operation of participant’s vehicle, equipment, and clothing, and whether there has been compliance with all applicable NHRA & NMRA rules.

[Balaska347]

It will be the same in general as posted above. I think it basically anything that is street legal and can make the cruise. I dont think the suspension will matter or the make of the car or tire size. Im sure they will post the rules once they are ironed out. This race is still in the works. Basically they just have a date so far.

[scott5]

I think the rules how the NMRA/NMCA do is the best way to make sure the car is a TRUE street car. My opinion, if your car cant go by the rules i posted and make it through.. Its not a street car

[Balaska347]

I dont agree with limiting tire size. What does tire size have to do with street legal.

[TheBreeze72]

i'm working on a 93 fox coupe project! hope sub 9's on dot tire ,pump gas ,N/A, sbf , but i'll get it ready and it won't be legal thats why i got away from dirt racing awhile back! RUN WHAT YA BRUNG AND HOPE YOU BROUGHT ENOUGH! I ALWAYS SAY!

[Balaska347]

:amen: I think if its really street legal and can make the cruise then I agree run what ya brung. I believe after the cruise you pull into the lanes. No opening the hold or trunk. The only thing you can touch is the tire psi. Then you run 3 back to back passes without touching the car. They average your three and the fastest average wins

[Mach1Mush]

:amen: I think if its really street legal and can make the cruise then I agree run what ya brung. I believe after the cruise you pull into the lanes. No opening the hold or trunk. The only thing you can touch is the tire psi. Then you run 3 back to back passes without touching the car. They average your three and the fastest average wins

When you say the fastest average wins, you mean fastest in like a 9 sec class 10 sec class 11 sec class 12 sec class etc. right Mike ? So if you run consistantly 12.90's and your your average is 12.93 thats no good. You wanna have a low 12 sec average???

[scott5]

When you say the fastest average wins, you mean fastest in like a 9 sec class 10 sec class 11 sec class 12 sec class etc. right Mike ? So if you run consistantly 12.90's and your your average is 12.93 thats no good. You wanna have a low 12 sec average???

yes... closest to the 9.0, 10.0, 11.0 etc... will be the winner of that class.. the average is what matters

[driller]

Sounds like it could be fun! :evil:

[casper gt]

I dont agree with limiting tire size. What does tire size have to do with street legal.

those rules are quoted from NMRA rule book, they are big on OEM style susp. cars & their rules sometime's are biased towards that end. susp/tires dosent matter much as they were in the 8's I think last year at NMRA columbus.

[casper gt]

Pittsburgh Raceway Park is hosting a King of Street/True Street Race August 15th. I guess Lou and a couple members from SCS helpt add the True Street Race aspect of this race day. So it will be a SCS's day kinda.
Sooooo, Uhh-ohhhh time for some real racing to begin, as I believe all r welcome to race!!! I might catch some flak for this but, just givin yunz a nice heads up early.

this was to be a ford event, thats what the initial meeting was about, I was out voted in that, & it has seemed to mushroom into this.

[AdamantiumSilvr]

...I did hear it was supposed to be an all Ford event, but then I guess whoever was a member on there bein whatever the make/model could participate and plus if u met specifications of a street car too. I went to last years KOS @ PRP and there wasn't as many cars as I thought was gonna be there. So I actually can't wait to see how this years is goin to turn out.
this was to be a ford event, thats what the initial meeting was about, I was out voted in that, & it has seemed to mushroom into this.

[casper gt]

...I did hear it was supposed to be an all Ford event, but then I guess whoever was a member on there bein whatever the make/model could participate and plus if u met specifications of a street car too. I went to last years KOS @ PRP and there wasn't as many cars as I thought was gonna be there. So I actually can't wait to see how this years is goin to turn out.

it was never supposed to be a SCS event or an all makes event, I was working on this since last year when Greg took over PRP, again as a Ford event, & somehow I got back-doored & it turned into this.

[Balaska347]

The KOS at PRP has held it own with car count. We have averaged 80-100+ cars every year which is a great turn out for a street legal bracket race. The main reason it works is because of the great sponsor that put up the money for the race.

Larry I wish we could make it an all ford race but if you want it to be successfull you have to include everyone. I think we will be lucky to get enough cars allowing all makes to participate. If this is very successfull then maybe look into separating the makes into there own makes. I for one would rather go up against different makes for bragging rights.

[casper gt]

the KOS race was never considered as part of the proposed Ford event untill it was brought up by Greg. the original intent of the initial meeting was to talk about a sunday for an all Ford event. I had a few sponsor's lined up including a huge mustang parts supplier (all backed out once advised it was turning into a mixed brand event by the way) & promises from around 50 or so cars to show up (thats before any mention of this hit the local sites). per Greg it takes around 200 cars to make an event worth it to the track & it looked to me & a few others that were in on this from the begining that this (ie. car count) would be do-able. it's all-good if it works out like this I guess but it kinda sucks that it went this direction after all the work that went into it, if I had known that this meeting would have turned into a way to boost the car count at the KOS event, I wouldn't have bothered going. hope that clarifies a few things.

[Balaska347]

I dont think that the true street was added to the KOS to boost the car count lol. I think thats the best spot on the schedule that it would fit. I dont think there is anyway in he!! that you can get 200+ car for an all ford street legal ford event. If you got the so called 50 promised cars, and those are only promises, 25 max from SCS because all they do is talk the talk, a handfull from UGH, and 25 straglers you would be lucky to get 100. You would have to double those numbers just to get close to making worth the track even opening. I believe they tried an all ford event within the last 12 years and it was a big flop and it included drag cars.

Plus Im surprised Greg even took the time this year to consider it and still tried to compromise with and a true street race that I also think will flop. If you really want this event keep working on it. Your a good guy Larry. He'll listen to what you have to say. Get everything on paper with contracts from these big sponsors and exactly how much they will put up. I would also get a petiton of drivers that can and will compete. I would say you would need atleast 300 signatures because most still wont come. And keeping working with Greg. He has only been manager for three months and has people calling him all day with what they think he should do. He can only do so much this year. The nice thing about Greg is he works with everyone and does the best that he can to keep track SUPPORTERS happy. I believe one of the guys at the meeting led the league with the most negative comments about the track last year.

These are my opinions only.

[driller]

FWIW, they still have an All-Ford event annually at Mason Dixon Dragway that I attend each year. I'm not sure of the numbers but it's definitely more than 50, easily 100 plus. They include a car show section as well.

The decline of All-Ford events over the past years is depressing. :(

[casper gt]

I believe one of the guys at the meeting led the league with the most negative comments about the track last year.

These are my opinions only.

your defenately right about that ;). my problem with this whole thing is not really with Greg btw, he did what he could & I got pretty much out voted. I will be putting some thought into the petition thing for next year for shure. I do wanna state that I'm just venting a little & hope nothing but the best for Greg & PRP.

[Balaska347]

I know your one of the good guys Larry. Dont give up on it. Start working on things for the schedule next year. Once the season starts hopefully Greg won't be so stressed and ask him if you do all those things we talked about if he would consider putting the event on the schedule for 2011. Tell him your serious and unless he is too then your not going to do the work.

I think the biggest problem is that we are in a struggling economy.

[casper gt]

thanks Mike.

[Balaska347]

No problem

[casper gt]

I wanted to update this post after the events that unfolded today. we all know that there are people on here as visitors looking to make trouble/snoop around & file reports to whoever's rod their slobbering on & too scared to join & let us know that your here. this post (ie. my response to the Aug 15th PRP event) is NOT directed at ANYONE but Lou. he was brought into this as a sponsor & has pretty much taken over the whole thing (which is kinda odd seeing as how bad he talked about the track in the past hence the need for my comment about the person at the meeting being negative). whoever feels the need to go behind my back & call anyone (you know who you called) should strap on their balls & call me & I'll explain what I'm talking about. again THIS WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE A SCS EVENT & I FEEL THAT LOU TOOK IT OVER & BACKDOORED ME ON THE WHOLE THING. REPORT THAT BACK AFTER YOU KISS MY A$$.