New FLD Pink Slip Format and Rules - Tell us what you think

[ostmike]

The new format was an experiment that the FLD owners were initially concerned about implementing. Fortunately, they agreed to give it a try. If you don't like the new format blame me not them. If you like it then be sure to thank them for giving the new format a shot. I wanted to start a poll to get a consensus as well as ask that you post constructive criticism/suggestions in this thread.

There are two routes the drivers can choose (and you can choose one or both):
1. With the new format everyone can still run in the Flashlights they way it has always been run. Pick someone to race and race. If you don't have someone to race go into the singles lane and a race will be arranged for you. Have fun!

2. If you think you are a contender for a top slot in your class you now have an option to do your own "eliminations" all day long. There is no more "picking" of the cars by us. The drivers are in control. We just "moderate" any disputes (there was one on Sunday) and at the end call the pink slip holders.

Here are the initial rules for the "pink slip" route should a driver choose to go this direction:
1. Anyone with a "pink slip" will need to display it on their car, park in the designated area and be available to race.
2. If repeatedly called out you have the option to wait between runs to cool or make adjustments but we will need to put a time limit on this (i.e. 15 - 20 min),
3. Only one "pink slip" per car and that pink slip has to be for the class your car will be running in.
4. If individuals who both have pink slips want to race before the finals it will not involve the exchange of pink slips. They will both retain their slips regardless of the winner.
5. If you are called out you must race.
6. The intent is for this to be self managing and the only time the staff needs to get involved is if someone doesn't respond to a call out.
7. If the race is too close to call for the drivers, they can stop at the announcers booth and we can tell them who got the light.
8. At a designated time the "pink slip" holders (who may or may not be the fastest in each class) will run the finals.
9. If you are a pink slip holder and leave the event early you need to give the slip to any other car in your class.
10. You are only obligated to race and beat a car once. If the same driver/car challenges a pink slip holder a second time it is up to the pink slip holder to choose to race again or decline.
11. The fast AWD cars must run in the "Big Dog" or "Top Street" class.

Initially we expect that the slips will be changing hands quickly with the top one or two cars in each class being identified. Working out the remaining "pink slip" holders should be fun/interesting.

[Slow06GTO]

I wish I could vote both yes and no. I think its a cool idea and it although I didn't take the pink slip route it seemed to work out really well and resulted in very competitive classes. The only reason I would vote no is because now I have to spend money to make my car fast enough to take someones slip.

[Ruthless]

Just tell us what "they" pick so we dont waste our time. Our votes never seem to matter.

[ostmike]

Just tell us what "they" pick so we dont waste our time. Our votes never seem to matter.

What are you talking about?

And don't get mad at "them" (the FLD owners) get mad at me, I have been trying to be informative as well as gather opinions/input and then use that information to try to influence "them" based on that data. "They" have been very cooperative but are under no obligation to do anything a lowly FLD sponsor like me has to say.

The good thing is that they do listen and are willing to try something new. The last poll was all my doing so if you feel slighted or are upset, take it out on me not them.

The same goes with this poll, I will report the results to "them" and they have the final say as to how the event goes down.

[Rodeheavers]

Believe it or not, the FLD guys will do just about anything we ask them to do.... We wanted track bite, they got it... We wanted more events, they got em, I wanted snapple tea, they got it!!!

[Mach1Mush]

I wasn't able to race on the 28th but I thought it was pretty kool when you heard people calling pink slip holders out . I also liked how the pink slip holders were parked out front on the return road so everyone could see who was running well and when they pulled out you knew they got challenged.

[ostmike]

I wish I could vote both yes and no. I think its a cool idea and it although I didn't take the pink slip route it seemed to work out really well and resulted in very competitive classes. The only reason I would vote no is because now I have to spend money to make my car fast enough to take someones slip.

I don't know about that Dennis. I think your car is fast.
I bet your decision to go after a pink slip would change if just a few of the cars that did show on Sunday for the Top Street class would have stayed home.

[Quik83Z]

The only reason I would vote no is because now I have to spend money to make my car fast enough to take someones slip.

And the down side to this is???

[SlowSix]

My question is if you run in the pink slip class and lose your slip, can you still race afterwards for fun or are you done completely?

[Quik83Z]

My question is if you run in the pink slip class and lose your slip, can you still race afterwards for fun or are you done completely?

No, you are not done at all.

If you lose your slip you can either:

1) Challenge someone else who is still holding a slip!

2) Race whoever you want for fun just like always....

[Jmac64ss]

I think it went well. Everyone was racing and having a good time. First time I seen all kinds of different people racing each other. I say do it the same way next time!!!

[ostmike]

My question is if you run in the pink slip class and lose your slip, can you still race afterwards for fun or are you done completely?

Don't think of the pink slip option as a "class" (because it isn't).

It's just another option (within the normal format) for the folks that think they have a shot at the top 8 in their respective class (Big Dog, Top Street, Top Tuner).
It also removes the requirement of having to "pick" the top 8 cars in each class for the finals and the complaints of folks (which may be justifiable - we're not perfect) who think that they should have been picked.

[97LaserRed]

I thought it was cool. First time out there but I liked how the pink slip guys parked on the side. I didn't try to race for slips just out to have fun and get my feet wet.

Tim I'm glad they had snapple tea for you!!

[Slow06GTO]

I don't know about that Dennis. I think your car is fast.
I bet your decision to go after a pink slip would change if just a few of the cars that did show on Sunday for the Top Street class would have stayed home.

My car is quick, but I have nothing for the GTX, Mikes Z, or even that nasty black Z06. I will prob try it out next time I am at Waynesburg though to see how I do.

And the down side to this is???

Less money in the bank and more broken parts?

[Quik83Z]

Less money in the bank and more broken parts?

Money in the bank is overrated....can't race with it.

Broken parts are just an excuse to upgrade.....

[ostmike]

Money in the bank is overrated....can't race with it.

Broken parts are just an excuse to upgrade.....

Spoken like a true racer!

[Hawkeye]

What kind of times are these different classes running?
Never been to one of these events and don't know much about them or the classes.
As far as pinks....whats to stop a 10 sec car from challenging a 13 sec car???

[Jmac64ss]

The way it is now. Just pick someone in one out of the classes you want to run and call them out. It can be a big dog or just someone in there new battery powered hot wheels. If you want a shoot at running the finals, then you race someone in the class you want to run in for there pink slip. You win it's yours. Remember someone can call you out and they may take it from you if they win. If you don't care who you race then line up and they will get you a race. If you never have bin to one. Try one out. You'll have a good time just watching them to. You never know who will win at times. The 10.0 sec car or the 12.0 car. It who can hook up and get to the line first.

[bluenotch35]

i liked the new format. although i dnt have a fast enough car to go after a slip. i know everone has there opinion. the only problem i see with the top street is that class should have no trailered in cars. i have no prob with the trailered cars but if you want to go for top street shouldnt you have to drive your car in? im not sure if any of the cars in top street were on trailers or not but from the looks of it i doubt some of them drove them there.

[ostmike]

i liked the new format. although i dnt have a fast enough car to go after a slip. i know everone has there opinion. the only problem i see with the top street is that class should have no trailered in cars. i have no prob with the trailered cars but if you want to go for top street shouldnt you have to drive your car in? im not sure if any of the cars in top street were on trailers or not but from the looks of it i doubt some of them drove them there.

We really need to drop the trailer issue. When I raced my VR6 Jetta at the Flashlights years ago, although it was my daily driver, year round (over 100 miles a day) I still trailed it to any event further than Zelienople. I just didn't want to risk it breaking and having to find a way home.The fact that it came on a trailer had nothing to do with it being a race or street car. If I'm going to travel 2 hours to an event (like Waynesburg) my car is coming on a trailer.

Keep in mind the intent of the "Top Street" class is to class the fast cars that don't make/fit the "Big Dog" or "Top Tuner" classes. At some events this has been cars like Dennis (slow06gto) and at the last event cars that were a little bit faster were there. It will depend on what cars show and nothing else (other than not fitting the "Big Dog" or "Top Tuner" classes).

[bluenotch35]

Flashlight Drag Rules

These events are intended for street-cars and trucks only Mufflers - Required
+ DOT Tires – Required (No slicks)
+ Current State Registration - Required
+ Proof of Insurance - Required
+ Valid Drivers License - Required
+ No Passengers
+ Safety Belts must be worn
+ Convertibles - tops up or bring a helmet
+ Vehicles must be driven in - No Trailers
+ Burn outs in designated areas only
+ Driver must wear wristband on left wrist
+ Altered Gas Performance Events waiver must be signed
+ Drivers must attend the drivers' meeting prior to the start of each event

all im saying is this is the rules i have nothing against trailers at all but if there goin to allow trailered cars in then i say they run in the big dogs.

not fair to some of the guys.
Quick83z
amswells1
the guy with the zo6
and twin turbo viper

those guys drove there Street Cars there. Im not trying to be a $$$$ i have not problems with the trailers at all but rules say no trailers. So put cars that are trailerd in with the big dogs. if you where one of the guys driving im sure you would feel the same way ok. Im over it sorry but thats how i feel.

[Jmac64ss]

Not this again....The rules don't say no trailers. It said must be driven in. Not driven there.

If you think they are race cars because they are trailer, then ask them to do something with there car that you can do with yours. Drive down the road, hot lap, go backwards. It's is getting old. I know my buddy was questioned about his car before by someone. He parked the car next to him, left it running and left for an hour to get something to eat as the car was still running. The guy didn't really care for that, so he asked if he would like him to follow him home or drop him off at his home. Needless to say, this non-trailer guys car could not do any of the above and it was a "street car".

Read the rules and not in-between them.

All of the cars you mentioned look like big dog cars. I beleave they wanted to be also.

[Quik83Z]

Don't really care about trailers....

If ya want my opinion (and I'm sure no one does)....

Big Tire Car = Big Dog
Small Tire Car = Top Street
FWD Import = Tuner

Simple! Easy to follow!

The only category that really doesn't fit is the High HP AWD cars.
They were thrown into the Big Dogs last weekend....
I guess that's the best place for them without creating a class just for AWD's.

[phunny]

Just tell us what "they" pick so we dont waste our time. Our votes never seem to matter.

What do you mean?

Flashlight Drag Rules

These events are intended for street-cars and trucks only Mufflers - Required
+ DOT Tires – Required (No slicks)
+ Current State Registration - Required
+ Proof of Insurance - Required
+ Valid Drivers License - Required
+ No Passengers
+ Safety Belts must be worn
+ Convertibles - tops up or bring a helmet
+ Vehicles must be driven in - No Trailers
+ Burn outs in designated areas only
+ Driver must wear wristband on left wrist
+ Altered Gas Performance Events waiver must be signed
+ Drivers must attend the drivers' meeting prior to the start of each event

all im saying is this is the rules i have nothing against trailers at all but if there goin to allow trailered cars in then i say they run in the big dogs.

not fair to some of the guys.
Quick83z
amswells1
the guy with the zo6
and twin turbo viper

those guys drove there Street Cars there. Im not trying to be a $$$$ i have not problems with the trailers at all but rules say no trailers. So put cars that are trailerd in with the big dogs. if you where one of the guys driving im sure you would feel the same way ok. Im over it sorry but thats how i feel.

Agree 1000%. The rules were put together by a group of people that were trying to make it as fair as possible. With that being said, I agree the trailer rule should be eliminated, it does nothing to keep things fair. Instead, they should actually inspect all the vehicles a lot more than they actually do and kick the failed cars out.

To be honest I didn't go to the one on the 28th and planned on not really ever going back do to the steep price and the lack of following any of the rules they have set forth...But!, after reading about the pink slips it really seems like it would be fun. I think it's a fantastic idea and if they stick with it and start following their own rules I think it would be a blast. Just my $.02

[phunny]

Not this again....The rules don't say no trailers. It said must be driven in. Not driven there.

If you think they are race cars because they are trailer, then ask them to do something with there car that you can do with yours. Drive down the road, hot lap, go backwards. It's is getting old. I know my buddy was questioned about his car before by someone. He parked the car next to him, left it running and left for an hour to get something to eat as the car was still running. The guy didn't really care for that, so he asked if he would like him to follow him home or drop him off at his home. Needless to say, this non-trailer guys car could not do any of the above and it was a "street car".

Read the rules and not in-between them.

All of the cars you mentioned look like big dog cars. I beleave they wanted to be also.

You should read the rules, he copied it right from their site. Here it is again,

These events are intended for street-cars and trucks only Mufflers - Required

+ DOT Tires – Required (No slicks)
+ Current State Registration - Required
+ Proof of Insurance - Required
+ Valid Drivers License - Required
+ No Passengers
+ Safety Belts must be worn
+ Convertibles - tops up or bring a helmet
+ Vehicles must be driven in - No Trailers
+ Burn outs in designated areas only
+ Driver must wear wristband on left wrist
+ Altered Gas Performance Events waiver must be signed
+ Drivers must attend the drivers' meeting prior to the start of each event


And I don't like the trailer rule either. But it is a rule.

[Rodeheavers]

Don't really care about trailers....

If ya want my opinion (and I'm sure no one does)....

Big Tire Car = Big Dog
Small Tire Car = Top Street
FWD Import = Tuner

Simple! Easy to follow!

The only category that really doesn't fit is the High HP AWD cars.
They were thrown into the Big Dogs last weekend....
I guess that's the best place for them without creating a class just for AWD's.

that is a good way to put it, plus if you think you have enough car or a better strategy to take down a big dog , then try it... Look what happened this time, a 4cyl took down the big dogs... All is fair in love and street racing!!!!!

[97LaserRed]

Can they jam to love shack with their subs bumpin and a/c blastin on cruise control?

Not this again....The rules don't say no trailers. It said must be driven in. Not driven there.

If you think they are race cars because they are trailer, then ask them to do something with there car that you can do with yours. Drive down the road, hot lap, go backwards. It's is getting old. I know my buddy was questioned about his car before by someone. He parked the car next to him, left it running and left for an hour to get something to eat as the car was still running. The guy didn't really care for that, so he asked if he would like him to follow him home or drop him off at his home. Needless to say, this non-trailer guys car could not do any of the above and it was a "street car".

Read the rules and not in-between them.

All of the cars you mentioned look like big dog cars. I beleave they wanted to be also.

[Jmac64ss]

If you park it off the property then you are following the Rules. What's the difference with the guy that lives down to road that drove his car there and it brakes. He go's home gets his trailer and takes the car home. I'm not driving home for and 1 1/2 hours and 1 1/2 hours back and then do it all over again just to get the car home. This is racing. Things break. The trailer is there for that reason. I have friends that are state cops. I'm sure I can get one of there buddies to maybe volunteer his time to do the vehicle checks. That way everything will be street cars and if you don't pass then you can be a big dog. And I'm sure he will not be writing tickets.

[bluenotch35]

If you park it off the property then you are following the Rules. What's the difference with the guy that lives down to road that drove his car there and it brakes. He go's home gets his trailer and takes the car home. I'm not driving home for and 1 1/2 hours and 1 1/2 hours back and then do it all over again just to get the car home. This is racing. Things break. The trailer is there for that reason. I have friends that are state cops. I'm sure I can get one of there buddies to maybe volunteer his time to do the vehicle checks. That way everything will be street cars and if you don't pass then you can be a big dog. And I'm sure he will not be writing tickets.

And who's asking you too. Again dnt care if you trailer your car. If you do. Run the big dogs. That way. The other guys that follow the rules have a chance to win. TOP STREET. OK FIXED CHANGE TOP STREET CLASS TO. TOP STREETABLE CAR THAT YOU TOWED IN TRAILERED IN OR DROVE. ALL I WANA KNOW IS HOW DO THE GUYS AT HOT ROD DRAG WEEK DO IT. RUNNING 7s. On sticky tracks. U guys are missing my point except. Phunny :first:

[Mach1Mush]

REALLY??????????????????? the trailer issue again. If you have a trailer and a truck to pull it then you got to be an IDIOT not to use it.

[Cheeks]

Don't really care about trailers....

If ya want my opinion (and I'm sure no one does)....

Big Tire Car = Big Dog
Small Tire Car = Top Street
FWD Import = Tuner

Simple! Easy to follow!

The only category that really doesn't fit is the High HP AWD cars.
They were thrown into the Big Dogs last weekend....
I guess that's the best place for them without creating a class just for AWD's.

I actually agree with that 100%

But what is your definition of a small tire vs a big tire?

Do you say anything bigger than a 275/60/15 or 28x10.5 is a "big" tire?

[90dsmturbo]

I drove my talon from Uniontown to the drags on my 4 hoosier drag radials. And if i wouldn't of popped the head gasket on my last run I would of driven it home after running in the big dog class but alas thankfully a fellow racer let me borrow his trailer to make it home!

Thanks Terry for the use of the trailer again....appreciate it buddy!

[Mater]

I drove my talon from Uniontown to the drags on my 4 hoosier drag radials. And if i wouldn't of popped the head gasket on my last run I would of driven it home after running in the big dog class but alas thankfully a fellow racer let me borrow his trailer to make it home!

Thanks Terry for the use of the trailer again....appreciate it buddy!

And if there wasnt a trailer there for u,what would u have done? Blueballcrotch is a douche,if he gad a trailer,he would be doing the same!!!/////////////END THE TRAILER BULLSH IT!

[somethingclever]

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[Quik83Z]

I actually agree with that 100%

But what is your definition of a small tire vs a big tire?

Do you say anything bigger than a 275/60/15 or 28x10.5 is a "big" tire?

I guess we could measure the tire width....12" and over is a Big Dog....

But really, I think we all know what a big tire car is....

[bluenotch35]

And if there wasnt a trailer there for u,what would u have done? Blueballcrotch is a douche,if he gad a trailer,he would be doing the same!!!/////////////END THE TRAILER BULLSH IT!

That's funny have two in my yard and didn't trailer it. Yep im a douche.

[phunny]

And if there wasnt a trailer there for u,what would u have done? Blueballcrotch is a douche,if he gad a trailer,he would be doing the same!!!/////////////END THE TRAILER BULLSH IT!

How you gonna call someone a douche for wanton the rules followed? I trailer my car too but I dot for the fld's because of the rules...

[White85iroc]

Mike i like the big tire thing but i think if you can fit a 12 inch tire in a factory wheel you should be able to run if its any kind of tub consider that a big tire car. And i wasnt on this forum but i just signed up today

[Mater]

That's funny have two in my yard and didn't trailer it. Yep im a douche.
:hug:
How you gonna call someone a douche for wanton the rules followed? I trailer my car too but I dot for the fld's because of the rules...

Where does it say drive cars an hour,Just says drivin in!:kev:

[shockstang]

What do you guys think about a class for people without power adders as in nitrous, turbo's or blowers? I know that might be diluting things down further than what was intended, but just a thought.

[shockstang]

What do you guys think about a class for people without power adders as in nitrous, turbos or blowers? I know that might be diluting things down further than what was intended, but just a thought.

[ostmike]

Don't really care about trailers....

If ya want my opinion (and I'm sure no one does)....

Big Tire Car = Big Dog
Small Tire Car = Top Street
FWD Import = Tuner

Simple! Easy to follow!

The only category that really doesn't fit is the High HP AWD cars.
They were thrown into the Big Dogs last weekend....
I guess that's the best place for them without creating a class just for AWD's.


This idea has potential. I do ultimately think we may have to go with an AWD class, not because they are cleaning house but more to protect the import/top tuners.

Some of the AWD guys think that they should be allowed to dominate all three classes (and they could). We thought by trying to direct the AWD cars into the Top Street and Big Dogs that would be a fix (we did allow the slower awd's to compete in Top Tuner). Unfortunately there's always someone who complains.

Like Cheeks said - what will be the cutoff for tire size? Or should it be tire size vs weight of the car? Or tire size and stock suspension vs ladder bar or 4 link. Then who will be in charge of measuring the tires? Will the measurement be tread width, sectional width or contact surface?

I'm just trying to think through what the next complaints will be if we go this route....


On another note concerning what cars run in what class.... This has always been a factor of the cars that showed up. For example, the last time Quik and I raced we were both in the "Big Dog" class at Beaver Run. And at least one other event Quik was in the "Big Dogs" with other cars that might not have even made the last "Top Street" finals at Waynesburg. I agree if the turnout continues to be high we may need to implement some "simple" deciding factor to differentiate between big dog and top street as well as have an AWD class.

The idea is to make this as self managing as possible with the drivers in control.

Tire size seems to be a "simple" item to use.

[phunny]

You're killing me mater. Do we also need to spell out everything in the rules. As in change it to "your vehicle, the one you drove in and intend to race must be street legal in the state of your residence"??

[ostmike]

In response to the justifiable concerns/complaints by members here about cars using trailers to attend the events, the "no trailers" rule is being removed.

The web admin has been requested to remove the "no trailer" rule from the flashlightdrags.com "Rules" page.

Hopefully this will put and end to this issue.

Thanks for all of the input (including those who were correct in stating what the rules said) and remember that your opinions are heard. Also remember that it is difficult to please everyone.

[90dsmturbo]

Alright let me get this straight

First the awd cars can't run in the tuner class even tho it's an import ok I understand that but now your talking about making a class just awd so I'd have to pay 25 bucks and race what 3 or 4 other cars?? Lol that's lame

Listen no offense but I didn't bring a 14 second car down and win the big dog class I brought a highly modified street driven 9 second talon. The fact that black camaro has stickers for headlights makes this case in point if you can't keep up with me off the line or even after you gain traction in most cases you just need to rethink your strategy and not try to eliminate me from racing.

That's just how I feel thanks for your time.

[ostmike]

Alright let me get this straight

First the awd cars can't run in the tuner class even tho it's an import ok I understand that but now your talking about making a class just awd so I'd have to pay 25 bucks and race what 3 or 4 other cars?? Lol that's lame

Listen no offense but I didn't bring a 14 second car down and win the big dog class I brought a highly modified street driven 9 second talon. The fact that black camaro has stickers for headlights makes this case in point if you can't keep up with me off the line or even after you gain traction in most cases you just need to rethink your strategy and not try to eliminate me from racing.

That's just how I feel thanks for your time.

Hey, I'm with you on this one.
Just try to help us deal with the awd guys who are arguing that they should be able to run in all three classes AT THE SAME TIME! They are claiming that they should be able to run Top Tuner, Top Street and Big Dog.

We can't have that.

We tried something different last Sunday and I thought it worked out great.
We asked the fast AWD cars to run top street or big dog and you did. And you belonged in Big Dog and ran there without issue. We even let the slower awd cars run top tuner and that worked out fine.

How about you organizing the AWD guys and come up with a strategy.
If we forced you to run top tuner you would still be limited in the cars you could run.

I thought last Sunday's format was good but a bunch of other AWD guys are having issues.

Do you have any suggestions?

[SS-Swaney]

I completely agree! Why is it everytime a awd does good is there people complaining about it?! On another post I was ridiculed when I said that we would bring a 122ci single Turbo street car and beat "drag cars"? Now When we do bring 1 down and follow the rules of the big dog class the awd gets singled out and there's talk of a special class for a handful of cars! Are people scared of competition?!!! I say run what you bring if you enter the big dog class expect a fast car! Don't make the flashlight drags lame I enjoy them but its starting to lose its luster over all the whining !

[Ruthless]

In response to the justifiable concerns/complaints by members here about cars using trailers to attend the events, the "no trailers" rule is being removed.

The web admin has been requested to remove the "no trailer" rule from the flashlightdrags.com "Rules" page.

Hopefully this will put and end to this issue.

Thanks for all of the input (including those who were correct in stating what the rules said) and remember that your opinions are heard. Also remember that it is difficult to please everyone.

YES!!! Its time to go shopping now.

[90dsmturbo]

I think how you had it was a good setup. My buddy ran his in the top street and lost to a rwd viper he was a great fit for street. I mean if an awd car is a good fit for the tuner class then let them run. I agree I wouldn't want to race anything but big dog that's why I brought my car. This needs to be subjective if the shoe fits wear it lol.

[ostmike]

I completely agree! Why is it everytime a awd does good is there people complaining about it?! On another post I was ridiculed when I said that we would bring a 122ci single Turbo street car and beat "drag cars"? Now When we do bring 1 down and follow the rules of the big dog class the awd gets singled out and there's talk of a special class for a handful of cars! Are people scared of competition?!!! I say run what you bring if you enter the big dog class expect a fast car! Don't make the flashlight drags lame I enjoy them but its starting to lose its luster over all the whining !

I don't think you read this whole thread or you would realize the whinning is about the trailers and NOT the AWD cars. Please don't turn this into something it is not.

The AWD guys are doing the whining, just not on here. And Kevin is not one of the whiners (alhough I think he's reading something into this thread as well). I did say (due to the "other" awd guys complaining) that we may need to make an awd class to "protect" the top tuner class. We do not need to protect the "big dog" class. In my opinion the "big dogs" should ALWAYS be the fastest cars that show, rwd, fwd or awd.

I do like Mike's (Quikz) idea the top tuner should be fwd cars only - that would solve this issue.

[ostmike]

I think how you had it was a good setup. My buddy ran his in the top street and lost to a rwd viper he was a great fit for street. I mean if an awd car is a good fit for the tuner class then let them run. I agree I wouldn't want to race anything but big dog that's why I brought my car. This needs to be subjective if the shoe fits wear it lol.

I agree 100% - now just talk to the other whining awd guys and get them to have the "if the shoe fits" attitude so we can keep this event fun for everyone!

[90dsmturbo]

I can def see what your getting into with the tuner class it's kinda a sticky situation. A tuner car can span so many wide arrays. In most aspects my car is a tuner car but its def not suited for the tuner class. The tuner class being fwd would limit a bunch of the rwd imports and slower awd cars from running but at the same time those cars may have the nuts to run street. This may end up being a judgement call the day of the race. For example if your letting a turbo 350z run tuner and a civic run tuner.... The civic loses to a awd but the 350z beats the awd then I feel that awd is a good fit for tuner. Cause all it takes is 1 mistake on a launch and that civic is smoking that awd talon lol.

Hopefully this is a rational insight to the problem.

[SS-Swaney]

This idea has potential. I do ultimately think we may have to go with an AWD class, not because they are cleaning house but more to protect the import/top tuners.

Some of the AWD guys think that they should be allowed to dominate all three classes (and they could). We thought by trying to direct the AWD cars into the Top Street and Big Dogs that would be a fix (we did allow the slower awd's to compete in Top Tuner). Unfortunately there's always someone who complains.

Like Cheeks said - what will be the cutoff for tire size? Or should it be tire size vs weight of the car? Or tire size and stock suspension vs ladder bar or 4 link. Then who will be in charge of measuring the tires? Will the measurement be tread width, sectional width or contact surface?

I'm just trying to think through what the next complaints will be if we go this route....


On another note concerning what cars run in what class.... This has always been a factor of the cars that showed up. For example, the last time Quik and I raced we were both in the "Big Dog" class at Beaver Run. And at least one other event Quik was in the "Big Dogs" with other cars that might not have even made the last "Top Street" finals at Waynesburg. I agree if the turnout continues to be high we may need to implement some "simple" deciding factor to differentiate between big dog and top street as well as have an AWD class.

The idea is to make this as self managing as possible with the drivers in control.

Tire size seems to be a "simple" item to use.

Umm you posted this which is what I'm referring to?! So I'm sorry if I'm off topic here but after hearing others complaining it's just very upsetting please don't think I'm taking this out on you

[SS-Swaney]

Who are other awful guys?

[ostmike]

Umm you posted this which is what I'm referring to?! So I'm sorry if I'm off topic here but after hearing others complaining it's just very upsetting please don't think I'm taking this out on you


This is why I said....
not because they are cleaning house but more to protect the import/top tuners.

Folks, this isn't easy and as this unravels you can see the difficulty which is why I'm asking the AWD to self police or come up with suggestions.

[ostmike]

Who are other awful guys?

I wouldn't call the awd guys awful... auto complete stinks huh? :)

[SS-Swaney]

Dang auto correct!!! Lol

[Rodeheavers]

If this is the case i want a DR class, a bias ply tires class, a big tire class, a small tire class, etc etc etc..... Run what u brung!!! I also want a class that you have to try and blow your motor up to keep up with the guy your racing..... Seriously guys, this is racing and its not like we are racing for a huge purse or something, we are racing for fun... To most of the faster guys its really a joke to see who can keep their car the straightest...
Its obvious the AWD guys have an advantage, and thats cool, they can choose what class they wanna race in, thats the glory of it...

[ostmike]

How about we keep it the way we ran it Sunday - I liked how it worked. The awd guys run like you did - really fast=big dog, fast=top street and near stock=top tuner

If we have an issue with any car (awd, fwd or rwd) that probably should be going after a pink in a faster class just ask him or her to consider changing classes.

Too many rules can make this a mess.

[mgtf289]

I've done FLD's for years w/o classes & trophies, always had a great time. The Class trophy deal added competition I didn't need . Early meets everyone entering got pink slips & winning slips was enough prise for me. I do like running motor to motor, win or lose!

[SS-Swaney]

Mike I agree with you 100 percent! Or like Timmy said run your car all day and it blows up winning or break a drive shaft the first time out trying to keep up!:popcorn:

[ostmike]

I've done FLD's for years w/o classes & trophies, always had a great time. The Class trophy deal added competition I didn't need . Early meets everyone entering got pink slips & winning slips was enough prise for me. I do like running motor to motor, win or lose!


And thank you for running me motor to motor!
I kept waiting to see that yellow import go flying by.

[phunny]

How about we keep it the way we ran it Sunday - I liked how it worked. The awd guys run like you did - really fast=big dog, fast=top street and near stock=top tuner

If we have an issue with any car (awd, fwd or rwd) that probably should be going after a pink in a faster class just ask him or her to consider changing classes.

Too many rules can make this a mess.

I'm really glad you posted this and TOTALLY REDEEMED YOURSELF! :)

Like you said Mike, it's a judgement call by you guys and the cars actually speed really changes on the setup for that day. When I ran at the FLD's I had 40lbs of air in the tires and turned down my timing as to keep the car as safe as I can. I don't want to blow anything up just goofing around at the FLD's. I promise that these AWD guys that are complaining, will cry like infants if we ever get forced in a class together, as they will have no chance vs some of the AWD's that will be there to own them.

And thank you guys for removing that trailer rule, finally puts an end to that crap.

[Jmac64ss]

How about we keep it the way we ran it Sunday - I liked how it worked. The awd guys run like you did - really fast=big dog, fast=top street and near stock=top tuner

If we have an issue with any car (awd, fwd or rwd) that probably should be going after a pink in a faster class just ask him or her to consider changing classes.

Too many rules can make this a mess.

Agree 100% with this.

Can I bring my rail car Saturday? What class would that be?

[somethingclever]

I thought FLD's principal was always run what you brung?

Why make mountains out of mole-hills.....let the awd car pick whatever class he wants to run in (big dog or tuner). AWD tuner cars are TUNERS...if they want to run big dogs...let them...if they want to run tuner class...let them....

Street class?.....I'd say no....why? Becuase they already have their own class...called TUNER class.

[phunny]

I thought FLD's principal was always run what you brung?

Why make mountains out of mole-hills.....let the awd car pick whatever class he wants to run in (big dog or tuner). AWD tuner cars are TUNERS...if they want to run big dogs...let them...if they want to run tuner class...let them....

Street class?.....I'd say no....why? Becuase they already have their own class...called TUNER class.

I was with you until the street class comment. I think it should be a judgement call based on the cars speed at the FLD's. I pride my car on being a "street car", I can turn on the ice cold ac, and have the 7" lcd flip out and watch a movie. Even a lot of the fart can hondas are gutted things that you would never want to take on a trip.

I really don't see how guys think the awd's have that much of an advantage... Especially if they are on true street tires.

[Mater]

You're killing me mater. Do we also need to spell out everything in the rules. As in change it to "your vehicle, the one you drove in and intend to race must be street legal in the state of your residence"??

so then ohio wv ppl will have the avanatge over ppl from pa,next!:sleep:

[Mater]

awd should run with the rest,just because there awd should make rwd guys work harder on hooking,run what u brung & hope u brung enuff!

[D-Rod]

I liked the new format. Last time at waynesburg I didnt get picked for top street so I asked if I could get in on it and almost won.
This way no one can $$$$$ about not getting picked.

Sorry I know I'm late on this convo but just wanted to express how much I liked the idea. Plus I got there late so I had to earn a pink. Then I lost it right before eliminations started so I had to rush around and find a quick race to get another one. I had just as much fun trying to get a pink slip and defending it than I did in eliminations.

[Quik83Z]

I really liked the pink slip idea as well....Chad took mine from me so I went back out and beat a different car to earn it back.

I agree with OST-Mike: Just keep it the way it was on Sunday...too many rules just ruins everything!!

Keep it as simple as possible....

[White85iroc]

I really liked the pink slip idea as well....Chad took mine from me so I went back out and beat a different car to earn it back.

I agree with OST-Mike: Just keep it the way it was on Sunday...too many rules just ruins everything!!

Keep it as simple as possible....

haha sorry mike glad i seen you back in it though i tweaked a few things and im very excited for the 10th.

[turboterror]

Why not make the tuner class N/A. If they are turbo,nos or supercharged they go to top street or big dogs.

[ostmike]

I'm really glad you posted this and TOTALLY REDEEMED YOURSELF! :)

I'm not sure if I should take that as a compliment? I'm not trying to redeem myself. I'm just trying to give as much information as I can, get some feedback and make this event as fun (and competitive) for as many as possible. I do realize that it is almost impossible to satisfy everyone.

I also want folks to realize there is a ton of stuff going on in the background that you may or may not see. From arriving at the event 2-3 hours before it starts to set up to the tear down long after everyone has left, the meetings during the week and sometimes the most trying... the conversations and/or concerns from not only the participants but also spectators, friends of racers, track or airport officials, sponsors, emails throughout the week etc. etc. Then of course we have issues like what just happened with Quaker City.

Let's see how the next event plays out. I still think Sunday went well.
The AWD thing could easily become an issue if an individual shows up (other than the folks this past Sunday) and isn't willing to cooperate like the AWD folks did at the last event. If not, we will need to come up with a plan to protect the Top Tuner class.

Please keep in mind that the new "Top Street" class was implemented to give the folks (import or domestic) that were not fast enough for the "Big Dogs" a place to compete. Participants in this class will vary based on the cars that show.

The Top Tuners is designed to give the younger generation of racers with their stock or mildly modified cars a place to get their feet wet. We would like to see this class grow rather than be "snuffed out".

The Big Dogs is the "Run what ya brung" class with no excuses/limitations.

[phunny]

I'm not sure if I should take that as a compliment? I'm not trying to redeem myself. I'm just trying to give as much information as I can, get some feedback and make this event as fun (and competitive) for as many as possible. I do realize that it is almost impossible to satisfy everyone.

I also want folks to realize there is a ton of stuff going on in the background that you may or may not see. From arriving at the event 2-3 hours before it starts to set up to the tear down long after everyone has left, the meetings during the week and sometimes the most trying... the conversations and/or concerns from not only the participants but also spectators, friends of racers, track or airport officials, sponsors, emails throughout the week etc. etc. Then of course we have issues like what just happened with Quaker City.

Let's see how the next event plays out. I still think Sunday went well.
The AWD thing could easily become an issue if an individual shows up (other than the folks this past Sunday) and isn't willing to cooperate like the AWD folks did at the last event. If not, we will need to come up with a plan to protect the Top Tuner class.

Please keep in mind that the new "Top Street" class was implemented to give the folks (import or domestic) that were not fast enough for the "Big Dogs" a place to compete. Participants in this class will vary based on the cars that show.

The Top Tuners is designed to give the younger generation of racers with their stock or mildly modified cars a place to get their feet wet. We would like to see this class grow rather than be "snuffed out".

The Big Dogs is the "Run what ya brung" class with no excuses/limitations.

I was referring to the fact that you looked as if you wanted to push the AWD's in their own class. But you did change what you were saying about it or maybe just didn't go far enough with your fist post into this subject. That's why I said you redeemed yourself.

I think there may be some confusion as to what the classes actually mean. I know I don't understand what each class is "exactly." Here's a quick breakdown of what I think they are;

Big Dog - Could not pass an inspection
Top Street - High performing street cars with real street tires
Top Tuner - V6 or below powered vehicles

[D-Rod]

I didnt see this mentioned yet but I am guessing it was already discussed.....

Any plans for a timing system at waynesburg? The ones at some of the autocross events I have seen seem pretty simple. Maybe some think this takes away from the purpose of the flashlight drags but I think it would be a good addition. Then you could categorize the classes by trap speed. This might make things to complicated but just putting it out there as a thought.

[mgtf289]

I didn't understand the classes clearly. I never felt like a TopDog although thats where I've been put. Street cars have often beat me ( even on Sunday ). Its 2 whl drive, street legal, domestic power, import car- The fun is the race, not the Trophy . I think there may always be some uf us oddballs w/o a clear class !

[ostmike]

Big Dog - Could not pass an inspection
Top Street - High performing street cars with real street tires
Top Tuner - V6 or below powered vehicles

All cars must be street legal and inspected if required by state law (i.e. not req for - Antique, classic plate, out of state cars).

All cars must have DOT approved tires.

Big Dog - Fastest 8 cars at the event (domestic or import), no other requirement other than the FLD rules. This will vary depending on the cars that show. Quik and myself have both run this class as well as Top Street.

Top Street - New class designed by Turk and myself to give cars (domestic or import) that are competitive but not fast enough for the Big Dogs a place to compete.

Top Tuner - A place for the "new" racing crowd to get started. The cars in this class will also vary based on who shows up. We won't let a V8 powered Honda race in this class. This is intended to get the young guys and their fwd cars a format to compete in. But there are also rwd and awd "tuners" that fit well in this class and keep the racing fun.

That's my best explanation of the intent keeping in mind that the cars that show up are what really will reflect who/what is in a class.

[ostmike]

I was referring to the fact that you looked as if you wanted to push the AWD's in their own class.

Remember we are trying to have fun and have three classes for a reason - to provide a format that draws people to the event and allows those who can or want to compete a level playing field.

Otherwise we would have just one class - "Big Dog".

For example, if three or more 9 second AWD cars show up and all compete in the "Big Dog" class there will be no issues.

If those same 3 or more cars which should be running "Big Dog" decide to try to dominate all 3 classes I suspect an AWD class will be created.

Did I just "un-redeem" myself ? :)

[Jmac64ss]

I think Sunday was the best yet. Drivers got to pick there class from the list provided and run it. You can run anyone you want. I think all the drivers are smart enough to know if you have a 9.0 second big dog car not to take a 12.0 second cars slip in the street class. Everyone knows what there car runs like. This week it maybe a street class and next time with some updates you made it a big dog. Let keep it fun and simple.



Cheeks. We need you there to tape some video's. There were some good races last time.

[ostmike]

i think sunday was the best yet. Drivers got to pick there class from the list provided and run it. You can run anyone you want. I think all the drivers are smart enough to know if you have a 9.0 second big dog car not to take a 12.0 second cars slip in the street class. Everyone knows what there car runs like. This week it maybe a street class and next time with some updates you made it a big dog. Let keep it fun and simple.



Cheeks. We need you there to tape some video's. There were some good races last time.


thank you!!!!

[ostmike]

I didnt see this mentioned yet but I am guessing it was already discussed.....

Any plans for a timing system at waynesburg? The ones at some of the autocross events I have seen seem pretty simple. Maybe some think this takes away from the purpose of the flashlight drags but I think it would be a good addition. Then you could categorize the classes by trap speed. This might make things to complicated but just putting it out there as a thought.

No timing systems, just a win lose light. We did try using a radar gun at one event but that day the top 20 cars we deemed fit the "Top Street" class were within 6mph of each other. Try picking the top 8 out of that many cars running so close together.

I'm diggin' the pink slip action, ease of management and the way all of the racers were respectful in turning over slips when loosing. The top 8 may not always be the fastest cars there but they will be the folks racing and winning!

[Cheeks]

Cheeks. We need you there to tape some video's. There were some good races last time.

I try to get out there when I can, with 3 races in 3 months upcoming, its been difficult to find time/money to drive on out there. But have no fear, I'll be back out before the season is over to get more video

[ostmike]

Cheek's - where do you live? If we pass your way I'd be glad to pick you up!

[Stippy]

Cheek's - where do you live? If we pass your way I'd be glad to pick you up!

Nice offer!


I'm gonna try to make it out to some FLD's the rest of the season. My car doesn't currently have a muffler and my license is suspended, but Id be glad to take some vids of everyone.

[Cheeks]

Cheek's - where do you live? If we pass your way I'd be glad to pick you up!

I appreciate the offer, I live in the north hills, it would be WAY out of your way. No worries, I will definitely be back out.

It sounds like the pink slip format is working, it sounds like a neat idea. I'd say try it again and see what the feedback looks like the second time around

[ostmike]

Traveling to Waynesburg you aren't that far out of the way for us. Meet us at the Mt. Nebo exit and ride along.....

[phunny]

All cars must be street legal and inspected if required by state law (i.e. not req for - Antique, classic plate, out of state cars).

All cars must have DOT approved tires.


Thanks for the breakdown :), never knew exactly what was what.

I would have to call BS on the statement above though. I've done both PA and WV inspections in my former profession and most of the cars in the Big Dogs would never ever pass an inspection in either state. Between exhaust, lights and windshield wipers you'd lose half that class. If you add in tires it would be more like 3/4 of them. I know at the tracks they let us run "street slicks" as legal but they most certianlly will not pass an inspection.

Here's a copy of PA inspection laws for anyone that wants to look it over, it's very extensive and there is no room for wiggle.

http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/pdotforms/pub_45/section_e.pdf


PS. I know it's hard to tell how someone is coming off in a text format like this so I'll be clear. I'm not coming down on you in any way I'm just saying that this doesn't happen at all. Not even saying that I care, just stating a fact. And before some of you chime in and tell me how you have a valid inspection sticker, don't bother. If I called the state and gave them your license plate number you would lose your inspection and the shop would have their inspection license revoked... I've been seeing this more and more lately for some reason, even the cops have been checking for things like rust and reporting it and the shops are losing their licenses.

[Quik83Z]

Thanks for the breakdown :), never knew exactly what was what.

I would have to call BS on the statement above though. I've done both PA and WV inspections in my former profession and most of the cars in the Big Dogs would never ever pass an inspection in either state. Between exhaust, lights and windshield wipers you'd lose half that class. If you add in tires it would be more like 3/4 of them. I know at the tracks they let us run "street slicks" as legal but they most certianlly will not pass an inspection.

Here's a copy of PA inspection laws for anyone that wants to look it over, it's very extensive and there is no room for wiggle.

http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/pdotforms/pub_45/section_e.pdf


PS. I know it's hard to tell how someone is coming off in a text format like this so I'll be clear. I'm not coming down on you in any way I'm just saying that this doesn't happen at all. Not even saying that I care, just stating a fact. And before some of you chime in and tell me how you have a valid inspection sticker, don't bother. If I called the state and gave them your license plate number you would lose your inspection and the shop would have their inspection license revoked... I've been seeing this more and more lately for some reason, even the cops have been checking for things like rust and reporting it and the shops are losing their licenses.

Oh for $hit sakes....

You've already stated that you have no plans to come to these events to either watch or race, so.....

Why do you care what they do?

Why are you in this thread?

Why are you on this forum?

Why do you even exist?

Here's a couple of helpful suggestion: STFU and GTFO.....

[Jmac64ss]

If you don't like the way things are, let them know. I'm sure they will try to do what they can to make everyone happy. If they don't change it then you have a choice. Stay home or go and have fun. This is getting old. Everytime they make a change there are 100 other problems that come up. My theory is, I have a 232hp car ( ask Tim ) I want to make it go faster to beat the camaro, tim's car ect. This takes money and time. Oneday I might do it and I will have someone do the same to me and it will start all over trying to beat him or her again. There is always going to be someone faster then you. I don't care who bears me, at least I'm able to have a car and enjoy every minute in it. The point is, let have some fun and enjoy that someone is giving us a place to play. God knows, there going away fast. Just look at the events the closed up already. Let's try to keep what we got.

This is not a poke at anyone. I just don't want to see them close it all down.

[mgtf289]

x2

[Ralph]

At this point in time I think my car is faster than Tim's !!
At least as long as there's no driveshaft in it !!!

[Jmac64ss]

Good point!! The lasted only a day probably. I'm sure if it's not fixed now it is in the works to be done soon.

[ostmike]

Thanks for the breakdown :), never knew exactly what was what.

You're welcome

I would have to call BS on the statement above though. I've done both PA and WV inspections in my former profession and most of the cars in the Big Dogs would never ever pass an inspection in either state. Between exhaust, lights and windshield wipers you'd lose half that class. If you add in tires it would be more like 3/4 of them. I know at the tracks they let us run "street slicks" as legal but they most certianlly will not pass an inspection.

You are obviously not paying attention to the cars that are actually running (the black primer camaro excluded) and going out of your way to make stuff up.

Next thing you will be saying is that we should only race to 55 or 65mph since that is the max speed limit in Pa.

Should we set up a Pa. state inspection station at the event?
How about an emissions center?
We could also hire an instant notary to validate licenses and registration haven't been revoked.
We could also require all the insurance companies that sell insurance in Pa. have a rep at the event to verify insurance has been paid in full.

Where would it end?

Just come and have fun......

[phunny]

Oh for $hit sakes....

You've already stated that you have no plans to come to these events to either watch or race, so.....

Why do you care what they do?

Why are you in this thread?

Why are you on this forum?

Why do you even exist?

Here's a couple of helpful suggestion: STFU and GTFO.....


You're a d-bag so I'll take that with a grain of salt.... If you could read, which I'm guessing it's not your strong point, you'd have seen that I said I like the new "pink slip" idea and said I would run again. It's funny how when people say anything even remotely negative some of you ladies get all twisted up.

You're welcome


You are obviously not paying attention to the cars that are actually running (the black primer camaro excluded) and going out of your way to make stuff up.

Next thing you will be saying is that we should only race to 55 or 65mph since that is the max speed limit in Pa.

Should we set up a Pa. state inspection station at the event?
How about an emissions center?
We could also hire an instant notary to validate licenses and registration haven't been revoked.
We could also require all the insurance companies that sell insurance in Pa. have a rep at the event to verify insurance has been paid in full.

Where would it end?

Just come and have fun......

I've only been to 1 event but plan on going again and that's not what I saw at all.

Should you have someone looking over the cars that is certified in state inspections, yes. We are paying a lot of cash to go to these events and expect the rules to be followed. If you can't enforce them, then change them as you said you're doing with the trailers.

Like I said in my post, I don't care if they're street legal, but if that's the rules that people pay for then enforce them... The "big dog" class is "run what you brung" then get rid of the rules for that class.

But thanks for being a smart-$$$ for me bringing something up that I hear a lot of people complaining about.

[Mater]

Thanks for the breakdown :), never knew exactly what was what.

I would have to call BS on the statement above though. I've done both PA and WV inspections in my former profession and most of the cars in the Big Dogs would never ever pass an inspection in either state. Between exhaust, lights and windshield wipers you'd lose half that class. If you add in tires it would be more like 3/4 of them. I know at the tracks they let us run "street slicks" as legal but they most certianlly will not pass an inspection.

Here's a copy of PA inspection laws for anyone that wants to look it over, it's very extensive and there is no room for wiggle.

http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/pdotforms/pub_45/section_e.pdf


PS. I know it's hard to tell how someone is coming off in a text format like this so I'll be clear. I'm not coming down on you in any way I'm just saying that this doesn't happen at all. Not even saying that I care, just stating a fact. And before some of you chime in and tell me how you have a valid inspection sticker, don't bother. If I called the state and gave them your license plate number you would lose your inspection and the shop would have their inspection license revoked... I've been seeing this more and more lately for some reason, even the cops have been checking for things like rust and reporting it and the shops are losing their licenses.

:flame: I bet 90% of the cars racing would fail a SI on race day if thats the way u want to put it!

[phunny]

:flame: I bet 90% of the cars racing would fail a SI on race day if thats the way u want to put it!

I'm sure a lot would but that wasn't my point. People keep complaining about this crap and anytime someone actually says something trying to let people know then they get flamed. There are like what, 10 guys on here that go to the FLD's? Most guys just complain to each other and then just say they won't go back.... So when someone brings something up to be helpful and just gets a load of s*** it just blows my mind.

But hey, that just how things like this just disappear.

[talontsi92]

Should you have someone looking over the cars that is certified in state inspections, yes. We are paying a lot of cash to go to these events and expect the rules to be followed. If you can't enforce them, then change them as you said you're doing with the trailers.

Like I said in my post, I don't care if they're street legal, but if that's the rules that people pay for then enforce them... The "big dog" class is "run what you brung" then get rid of the rules for that class.


Well, just being Devil's advocate here....

Does your 600whp DSM have a catalytic convertor?

Call me crazy, but I am going to go out on a limb and say no, inspection fail, you just drove 30 miles and are not allowed to race.

If it was that strict there would be about 4 cavaliers, a neon, and my slow as hell Mustang racing. I am no expert, but I don't think that is going to...

a. Make money.

b. be fun.

c. have more than 3 idiots with nothing better to do than watch 6 slow as balls cars "race".

If you seriously expect them to have someone there "inspecting" cars further than looking at your license, insurance, inspection, and registration, your crazy.

/stupidity

[ostmike]

Sorry guys but we won't hearing from phunny for a few days.....
This is a thread for constructive criticism. Not absurd comments.

Everybody is entitled to an opinion but please limit the name calling.

Lets keep it clean.

[Wile E. Coyote]

Pink slip idea is cool BUT I think they should try the 3 judges idea once also.

[Mater]

Hey what did he call me? & Can i still call blueballcrotch a douche? :D

[ostmike]

Hey what did he call me? & Can i still call blueballcrotch a douche? :D

please, no....

[Mater]

I :love: blueballscrotch

[Jmac64ss]

Here's the deal. Get rid of all the rules. Run what you brung. That way, that way the fastest car will win. No bitching about classes, tires or anything else.

Oh wait, then someone can complain there are no rules.

It's simple. If you want to race, show up. If not, stay home.

We have a good thing going having a place to run on street like conditions and not have the chance of going to jail.

Ostmike, good luck with all this. Makes you start to think, is it really worth your time you give to make this happen. No matter what the FLD crew decides, I will still show up as long as there is a race.

[bluenotch35]

I love blue notch :D

:ranger::ban:

[Mater]

:ranger::ban:

I am sipping coffee posting & bidding on cars on the net!:hug::peace:

[ostmike]

Buying anything good?

[Mater]

2011 challenger flood did 16,0000 6.1 HEMI

[AdamantiumSilvr]

I didn't make it out to the last Waynesburg event, not sayin um for or against the pink slip deal! Buuut still their is absolutely no class for myself! Yeah its just ssoooo simple, make ur car faster, well now um on a very tight financial budget bein lay'd off n can afford to drop 2,000 to 5,000 dollars on power adders or build my engine up! So really where does this leave racers like myself!??
Bottom line is that the mid to high-12 sec cars to like the 13-14 second range are out of the the class competition! These are pretty normal times where ALOT of the REAL street rides run!! I mean I've try'd goin at least 1 round in Top Street before and well I pretty much never had a chance! Might as well put me in the Top Tuner class then!! I mean I alwayz race their to just have fun and alwayz had a blast n luv'd the FLD's regardless of puttin on a show racin in the classes!
But like at BeaverRun I talk't ta u Mike n u said that Tom 10Kona6er couldn't run with the Tuner Class to make the even 6 car count, why again?! His car runs 15's!
Sorry no offense attended towards anyway!

[Mater]

get an LSX!!:lol:

[AdamantiumSilvr]

...funnnny!! Thats pretty much what Dennis told me at the Pitts Mills last night!
get an LSX!!:lol:

[D-Rod]

Bottom line is that the mid to high-12 sec cars to like the 13-14 second range are out of the the class competition! These are pretty normal times where ALOT of the REAL street rides run!! I mean I've try'd goin at least 1 round in Top Street before and well I pretty much never had a chance! Might as well put me in the Top Tuner class then!! I mean I alwayz race their to just have fun and alwayz had a blast n luv'd the FLD's regardless of puttin on a show racin in the classes!
But like at BeaverRun I talk't ta u Mike n u said that Tom 10Kona6er couldn't run with the Tuner Class to make the even 6 car count, why again?! His car runs 15's!
Sorry no offense attended towards anyway!

The only way I can see a 12 second class is to create one for stock cars. Times have changed. 10 years ago a 12 second true street car was pretty fast. Now brand new N/A mustangs runs 12's straight out of the box.
Hell I am a 100% true street car that runs 10's and I am nowhere near the fastest street car around here but feel I am fast enough to compete.

When I had my last C6 that ran mid 12's, I just didnt get in eliminations. I like the way they do it. You have a class for the fastest true street cars and a class for the guys that are race cars or close to it.

IMO, it takes a 11 second car to compete in the tuner class anymore. And of course with the EVO's, DSM's, ect these can almost be lumped in with the street cars because its not as lobsided as it used to be now that turbo's/nitrous are putting these 4&6cyl cars at a new level.

You start creating to many classes and the elimination will last for 3 hours and cut into everyone else's racing.

[Quik83Z]

The only way I can see a 12 second class is to create one for stock cars. Times have changed. 10 years ago a 12 second true street car was pretty fast. Now brand new N/A mustangs runs 12's straight out of the box.
Hell I am a 100% true street car that runs 10's and I am nowhere near the fastest street car around here but feel I am fast enough to compete.

When I had my last C6 that ran mid 12's, I just didnt get in eliminations. I like the way they do it. You have a class for the fastest true street cars and a class for the guys that are race cars or close to it.

IMO, it takes a 11 second car to compete in the tuner class anymore. And of course with the EVO's, DSM's, ect these can almost be lumped in with the street cars because its not as lobsided as it used to be now that turbo's/nitrous are putting these 4&6cyl cars at a new level.

You start creating to many classes and the elimination will last for 3 hours and cut into everyone else's racing.

X2

The FLD's were meant to be a place where you and your buddies could race without getting into trouble....PERIOD!

If you want to race with a handicap so everyone is equal, go to a drag strip and bracket race.

If you are too slow to race in top street, then either make your car faster, or just race your buddies for fun like we have done all along.

Please stop crying about this!!!

[ostmike]

But like at BeaverRun I talk't ta u Mike n u said that Tom 10Kona6er couldn't run with the Tuner Class to make the even 6 car count, why again?! His car runs 15's!
Sorry no offense attended towards anyway!

Adam,
I'm not sure which Beaver Run event or car you are referring to specifically. I can tell you that the last Beaver Run event we didn't even run a Big Dog class. I also don't remember telling any 15 second import or fwd car that they couldn't run in Top Tuners. If I did I am guessing I misunderstood what you were asking.

Keep in mind the classes (pink slip or previous format) were never intended to encompass all of the the cars in attendance. The majority of cars are there to race each other, have fun and at the end watch the folks with the "fast" cars duke it out. If you are the owner of a "fast" car then you have an additional opportunity/format to participate in besides the regular racing. As I am sure you have seen the finals are a very small percentage of the actual racing that took place in the past. Now the new pink slip format has added an "all day eliminations" aspect to the event that anyone can go after. In fact we intentionally tried to give out the initial pink slips to the slowest cars in each class and not the "fast" cars. If you had been there on Sunday it is very possible that you would have received a Top Street pink slip and had to "defend" it.

BTW - I have a few n2o kits laying around if you're interested......

[Stippy]

X2

The FLD's were meant to be a place where you and your buddies could race without getting into trouble....PERIOD!

If you want to race with a handicap so everyone is equal, go to a drag strip and bracket race.

If you are too slow to race in top street, then either make your car faster, or just race your buddies for fun like we have done all along.

Please stop crying about this!!!


x2

I like the format that is in place now, and the pink slips only add to the fun competition aspect. Keeping it simple & fun will always attract the most racers/spectators. I plan to run next year when I have a muffler on the car and a license in my hand lol.

[Jmac64ss]

X2



Please stop crying about this!!!

x10

[AdamantiumSilvr]

....urgh urrrghhh X1,000,000bajitarilllionn!! Its a crap shoot, whatever, you definately can't please everyone! Butt hurtness occurs in all of us! Btw cryings good for ya, you cried about Ost's car, Quik!:Cry:

[mgtf289]

Mike, save me 1 of the n2o kits , I'll need it the next time I race you !

[ostmike]

Was Quik complaining about my car? Oh no.... it's just a mild 440..

[Slow06GTO]

Mike, you sure one of those kits didn't accidentally end up under the hood of a gtx?

[ostmike]

Mike, you sure one of those kits didn't accidentally end up under the hood of a gtx?

No.

Not that I don't want to spray it... Unfortunately the stock crank and 2 bolt mains are already being pushed to the limits with the tune on the car now. A little bit of n2o and I'm afraid that the crank would be on the asphalt.

It probably would run pretty good with a little 150 shot!

[SS-Swaney]

Mike I think I finally figured out who the awd whiner is lol!! He's ridiculous! People like him give us awd l owners a bad rap .....

[Quik83Z]

....urgh urrrghhh X1,000,000bajitarilllionn!! Its a crap shoot, whatever, you definately can't please everyone! Butt hurtness occurs in all of us! Btw cryings good for ya, you cried about Ost's car, Quik!:Cry:

Was Quik complaining about my car? Oh no.... it's just a mild 440..

Nope, not crying....already stated U beat my a$$....twice!!! lol

Beating me was no big deal....

What was really impressive though, was you driving around that TT Viper to take the Top Street win after he already had a good car & 1/2 jump on you!!!

[Rodeheavers]

Nope, not crying....already stated U beat my a$$....twice!!! lol

Beating me was no big deal....

What was really impressive though, was you driving around that TT Viper to take the Top Street win after he already had a good car & 1/2 jump on you!!!

he took some of the 1100bs of concrete out of his trunk.

[AdamantiumSilvr]

...just messin with ya Mike! haha
Nope, not crying....already stated U beat my a$$....twice!!! lol

Beating me was no big deal....

What was really impressive though, was you driving around that TT Viper to take the Top Street win after he already had a good car & 1/2 jump on you!!!

[ostmike]

Mike I think I finally figured out who the awd whiner is lol!! He's ridiculous! People like him give us awd l owners a bad rap .....
Just remember that when I seem like I'm getting grumpy or short with my responses. If it's one of the same awd folks I've been dealing with then it sounds like you'll understand.....


Nope, not crying....already stated U beat my a$$....twice!!! lol

Beating me was no big deal....

What was really impressive though, was you driving around that TT Viper to take the Top Street win after he already had a good car & 1/2 jump on you!!!

Mike, your car has always impressed me. Looks stock and goes like crazy. So beating you IS something. And from what you said about Amswell's and Chad's cars being even faster than you, then beating them is really something too.
Did anyone of the 3 of you race the TT Viper? I'd be interested in hearing how you did.

I can say the Viper looked crazy fast when I watched it race some other cars and I was surprised I was able to pull the win off.

[97LaserRed]

John with the viper told me he messes up the last race and screwed up a shift or something? He wanted to race the gtx again. Maybe next time!!

[Ruthless]

John with the viper told me he messes up the last race and screwed up a shift or something? He wanted to race the gtx again. Maybe next time!!

I want to play too! Maybe I will luck out and have the suspension close enough to play. Something has to go right with this build. LOL

[CHEVYPOWER]

Anybody that trailers in an 3400 lb. 1970 Plymouth Satellite with GTX badges on it that has a glass hood, 8 quart oil pan, forged crank, roller cam, ported and worked heads, aluminum wheels, electric fuel pump, is caged, heater deleted, higher than stock compression, Street Slicks, aluminum rods, utilizes race gas, among many others items is not a grocery getter by any means and will not be looked upon as one. It's a 200 mile built-to-race engine/car that would grenade a rod on the way to the local swap meet. Lets not try to candy coat this RACE ONLY vehicle. If it breaks at the track call AAA. Drive the car 30 miles to and from the track and fill up the tank at the local BP and then you call it a stock 1970 piece. The only thing meeting 1970 specifications on that MOPAR is the wavy paint job! WWWAAAAAA!!!!! Let the truth be told my brother.

[Mater]

Anybody that trailers in an 3400 lb. 1970 Plymouth Satellite with GTX badges on it that has a glass hood, 8 quart oil pan, forged crank, roller cam, ported and worked heads, aluminum wheels, electric fuel pump, is caged, heater deleted, higher than stock compression, Street Slicks, aluminum rods, utilizes race gas, among many others items is not a grocery getter by any means and will not be looked upon as one. It's a 200 mile built-to-race engine/car that would grenade a rod on the way to the local swap meet. Lets not try to candy coat this RACE ONLY vehicle. If it breaks at the track call AAA. Drive the car 30 miles to and from the track and fill up the tank at the local BP and then you call it a stock 1970 piece. The only thing meeting 1970 specifications on that MOPAR is the wavy paint job! WWWAAAAAA!!!!! Let the truth be told my brother.

Aint the crank stock?:painkiller:

[D-Rod]

Did anyone of the 3 of you race the TT Viper? I'd be interested in hearing how you did.

I can say the Viper looked crazy fast when I watched it race some other cars and I was surprised I was able to pull the win off.

I think Mike and I's car are very similar performance wise and I raced the viper. I knew once he built boost it was over so I had to get him out of the hole so I upped my RPM's. No matter what I think he will edge me out but that was my worst launch of the day. If I dead hook like I was some other passes, this one would be a tad closer.

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL2qbH9zc1Yurl]
http://youtu.be/oL2qbH9zc1Y[/url]

[ostmike]

Anybody that trailers in an 3400 lb. 1970 Plymouth Satellite with GTX badges on it that has a glass hood, 8 quart oil pan, forged crank, roller cam, ported and worked heads, aluminum wheels, electric fuel pump, is caged, heater deleted, higher than stock compression, Street Slicks, aluminum rods, utilizes race gas, among many others items is not a grocery getter by any means and will not be looked upon as one. It's a 200 mile built-to-race engine/car that would grenade a rod on the way to the local swap meet. Lets not try to candy coat this RACE ONLY vehicle. If it breaks at the track call AAA. Drive the car 30 miles to and from the track and fill up the tank at the local BP and then you call it a stock 1970 piece. The only thing meeting 1970 specifications on that MOPAR is the wavy paint job! WWWAAAAAA!!!!! Let the truth be told my brother.


You're killing me!
Yes, the paint job and body work stink. I did the body and paint work when I was 19-20 years old in my parents driveway.
However, it is a real GTX (not a Satellite or Roadrunner).. but you know that.
and it's a 10qt oil pan :)
you also forgot aftermarket side mirrors, aftermarket exhaust, steering wheel, electric fan, front disc brakes, converter, tachometer, manual steering, etc..

[Mater]

Mike,PHUCK the haters!!!!!!!!

[Ruthless]

"Drive the car 30 miles to and from the track and fill up the tank at the local BP and then you call it a stock 1970 piece"

Thats the problem...we live a bit farther away then that. It must be nice to live that close to 90% of the races.

[ostmike]

Mike,$$$$$ the haters!!!!!!!!

This is nothing!
You should have seen the hate going on when the 07 Charger we modded and tuned set the 5.7 N/A record. How dare a little dyno shop in the backwoods of Pa. build/tune a Gen III Hemi that goes out and spanks the big boys?

If folks are hating because the GTX runs good then I'm OK with that. There's always someone faster than me.

That's racing......

[Mater]

swweeeet congrats

[bluenotch35]

Free phunny!

[D-Rod]

Its not like we are racing for a national championship. lol Its Flashlight Drags at a rented airport in Greene County PA where we have more cows than cars. :)

[ostmike]

Free phunny!


All in favor of freeing phunny say "yes"
All opposed say "no"

[Jmac64ss]

Race car, street car. Who cares. I'll race either or. If I loose, who the f?ck cares. Take the 25.00 and go to the track then if you don't like it here. Just because someone puts money in to there car and it is faster then someone elses, you pick it appart so you can have a chance to win. O that's right. Any mods done and now your not a street car..
Guess we can all line our Kia's up for some close races running 18's.

Let's just quit having these so we can all go to the track and run our [B]street cars[B]
I guess it's back to running from the cops again.

[Mater]

Race car, street car. Who cares. I'll race either or. If I loose, who the f?ck cares. Take the 25.00 and go to the track then if you don't like it here. Just because someone puts money in to there car and it is faster then someone elses, you pick it appart so you can have a chance to win. O that's right. Any mods done and now your not a street car..
Guess we can all line our Kia's up for some close races running 18's.

Let's just quit having these so we can all go to the track and run our [B]street cars[B]
I guess it's back to running from the cops again.

give this man a :beer: & YEs ostmike

[phunny]

Howdy guys, miss me? I would like to say Mike that banning me is a load of BS period. I didn't even flame anyone, I said, "and thanks for being a smart-@$$$..." If you act like a smart-@$$$ I will gladly point it out and if you can't take it then you really have 2 options.

1. Don't be a smart @ss and try to belittle people
2. Ban me.

If I do something wrong I will ALWAYS man up and apologize but I didn't this time :).
/end rant

Glad to see everyone had a good time at the last FLD's and I'm very sorry I wasn't there to give ruthless the 4-cyl beating he deserves :). I'm pushing oil in my coolant but I think it's just a cracked oil cooler (I HOPE) so I'll have her back on the pavement soon.

Did the viper finally get some slicks?

[ostmike]

If I do something wrong I will ALWAYS man up and apologize but I didn't this time :).
/end rant



I appreciate that and I'll do the same......

I overreacted when I banned you.
I had a bad day and your comments pushed me over the edge. I was out of line in banning you and should have let your remarks go.

I also realized that I went too far with you and that's why I let the "other" issue on the forum go as long as I did before dropping the hammer.

I am sorry. Will you forgive me?

[Ruthless]

Glad to see everyone had a good time at the last FLD's and I'm very sorry I wasn't there to give ruthless the 4-cyl beating he deserves :). I'm pushing oil in my coolant but I think it's just a cracked oil cooler (I HOPE) so I'll have her back on the pavement soon.

Sweet bring it out. I will be back in a few weeks. This week I am on vacation and then I need to figure out the rear suspension issue. The car runs great. The pass against that STI was one of the slower passes because I messed up the burn out. I can't wait to get back out and get the car to plant the power. I chased down the fast EVO but my car should not need to do that. I should be able to hold on from the dig.
Best of luck getting your issues sorted out.

[D-Rod]

Sweet bring it out. I will be back in a few weeks. This week I am on vacation and then I need to figure out the rear suspension issue. The car runs great. The pass against that STI was one of the slower passes because I messed up the burn out. I can't wait to get back out and get the car to plant the power. I chased down the fast EVO but my car should not need to do that. I should be able to hold on from the dig.
Best of luck getting your issues sorted out.

If you are talking about this EVO it is hard for us RWD guys making a bit of power to get him out of the hole on a track with little prep. He got me out of the hole too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57B6_YczEmk

[Ruthless]

If you are talking about this EVO it is hard for us RWD guys making a bit of power to get him out of the hole on a track with little prep. He got me out of the hole too.[/url]

That was a good launch. He had me by lengths and I had to run him down. Looks like we need to line them up too.

[phunny]

I appreciate that and I'll do the same......

I overreacted when I banned you.
I had a bad day and your comments pushed me over the edge. I was out of line in banning you and should have let your remarks go.

I also realized that I went too far with you and that's why I let the "other" issue on the forum go as long as I did before dropping the hammer.

I am sorry. Will you forgive me?

No hard feelings here at all. Everyone disagrees some of the time, it's life :).

Sweet bring it out. I will be back in a few weeks. This week I am on vacation and then I need to figure out the rear suspension issue. The car runs great. The pass against that STI was one of the slower passes because I messed up the burn out. I can't wait to get back out and get the car to plant the power. I chased down the fast EVO but my car should not need to do that. I should be able to hold on from the dig.
Best of luck getting your issues sorted out.

Have a great vacation, I'm in need of one also. I should have the car up and running soon, also had some massive boost leaks including the injector o-rings. My best run at the DSM Shootout was an 11.4 and it was my first run that I eased outta the hole and left of at about 3/4 track. I was just trying to warm everything up...

If you are talking about this EVO it is hard for us RWD guys making a bit of power to get him out of the hole on a track with little prep. He got me out of the hole too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57B6_YczEmk

Talk about walking away from that evo... Jeesh, awesome run.

[D-Rod]

That was a good launch. He had me by lengths and I had to run him down. Looks like we need to line them up too.

I would say at a prepped track you will put some lengths on me. I am about 100HP shy of being able to run with you but I'm down for a freindly race. I hope you can make the track rental......your trap speed should be awesome and you are going to need awesome track prep to put that power down off the line.